Project 2025/Holzfäller: Big Bad Wolf 2 (B&M Family Invert)
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It looks like the old Drachen Fire station has started being cleared out. Most of the Nevermore props seem to be removed, and you can catch a glimpse all the way through the station as the train goes by.
We did notice that and we noticed the warehouse next to it has been cleared out.
RMC said at IAAPA a few years back that they aren’t continuing development of the ride model as no parks have wanted one. They then added that if a park really wants one then they may continue development, but will otherwise direct them to the Raptor model.
Anywho, back to the discussion of Holzfaller.
Do we expect BGW will actually enforce the height limit on this? I know they do on Pantheon. This would be a third coaster I'm too tall for at the park (and the third straight new coaster I'm too tall for)
They have an obligation to enforce any height limits of a coaster per the ride manufacturer operating guidelines.
Eh, I think it's actually less black and white than that. From what I've heard, it's often more about insurance.
I've researched this a lot. There's no hard cap set by the manufacturer, just a suggestion. Whether or not the park wants to follow it is different. Parks either:
1. Ignore and not list strict height limits (Hersheypark)
2. List height limits, but often ignore them (King's Dominion)
3. List and strictly follow height limits (Six Flags New England)
BGW definitely falls into category 3 for Pantheon, but I'm hoping they'll be more lenient for others. The dumbest part is the reason for it on all Intamin launch coasters is the headrests aren't tall enough. Universal's policy for Velocicoaster is if your head isn't above the headrest, you can ride. Phantasialand's is the same with Taron, which I was able to ride. It's such a minor fix and makes it all the more frustrating.
It's incredibly frustrating that B&M has decided to list these limits on all their family coasters now. They were one of the few manufacturers I could count on.
If it's an insurance issue, parks should have waivers for tall people to sign that say I won't sue them if I get whiplash on a coaster with a listed height limit. I'd happily sign lol.
1. Ignore and not list strict height limits (Hersheypark)
2. List height limits, but often ignore them (King's Dominion)
3. List and strictly follow height limits (Six Flags New England)
BGW definitely falls into category 3 for Pantheon, but I'm hoping they'll be more lenient for others. The dumbest part is the reason for it on all Intamin launch coasters is the headrests aren't tall enough. Universal's policy for Velocicoaster is if your head isn't above the headrest, you can ride. Phantasialand's is the same with Taron, which I was able to ride. It's such a minor fix and makes it all the more frustrating.
It's incredibly frustrating that B&M has decided to list these limits on all their family coasters now. They were one of the few manufacturers I could count on.
If it's an insurance issue, parks should have waivers for tall people to sign that say I won't sue them if I get whiplash on a coaster with a listed height limit. I'd happily sign lol.
They should not do waivers. The insurance policies are necessary. And whiplash isn’t the wonky thing that matters. There’s also ride envelope and proximity to other elements. For example Pantheon has a couple of close contact elements for head chopper effects that most coasters at Hershey or KD don’t have. Hence the strict enforcement.
I get it can be annoying. But it’s best to have a blanket policy than all kinds of exceptions.
I get it can be annoying. But it’s best to have a blanket policy than all kinds of exceptions.
If B&M is listing them they are doing it for a reason not by a random choice.
As for using the head rest standard it's subjective and people can change their posture to manipulate it. The last thing we need if for someone to hunch down not get caught and then get hurt.
As for the waver hey that great but they are not as airtight as people think so there would be no guarantee that one would hold up if challenged. And that then leaves out the PR issue if something happens.
Y'all I was joking about the waiver lmao
Anyways this got off topic, so I'll drop the issue. I'm used to being turned away for some coasters. It sucks but at least I can dunk a basketball. Here's to hoping BGW gets a bit more lax with it or something changes in the industry. Maybe I'll sit under a hydraulic press and see if that does me any favors.
Anyways this got off topic, so I'll drop the issue. I'm used to being turned away for some coasters. It sucks but at least I can dunk a basketball. Here's to hoping BGW gets a bit more lax with it or something changes in the industry. Maybe I'll sit under a hydraulic press and see if that does me any favors.
I believe the issue more often than not is that it is quite difficult to design a seat that is comfortable and safe for all riders regardless or size of shape. I guess the idea is that in order to accommodate larger and taller riders, you often need to exclude smaller and shorter riders.
This is of course different from clearance issues which is what the restrictions on Taron and Pantheon deal with. It's interesting to me that a ride like DaVinci's Cradle operated for so long with clearance issues but new rides need to exclude people. The fact that you're told to keep your arms down on every ride even when the clearance allows room for it, does kinda obscure the actual clearance limits.
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I may be totally off base but I was under the impression the upper height requirement on pantheon was that extreme near miss where taller riders with full arms extended over there heads could actually make contact with the supports ?
My dad (who is close to the limit) says he believes it’s because the headrest does not extend high enough. If the ride jolted, most riders’ heads would strike that headrest. If you’re too tall, you’d hurt your neck.
Not official, but his opinion.
I don't think any modern clearance is that close. Headchoppers are more of an illusion than anything
Yeah I don’t know for sure I just thought it was the given reason and I’m not talking like anything other then like finger tips but again that could just be a complete misconception that I was given.
There has never been an official reason announced but whiplash is the explanation I have heard from ride ops.
Has anyone rides the train recently to see if any construction fencing has begun to go up. Haven't been able to ride the train yet or would know this?
I didn’t see anything of note yesterday.
So many Christmastown decorations stored outside and Witch of the Woods still set up.
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