Been watching regularly for weeks haven’t seen the first land disturbance permit, don’t know even how far they are in the approval process for the build permit, figure construction fencing is still a good long ways off.
Project 2025/Holzfäller: Big Bad Wolf 2 (B&M Family Invert)
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Following up today, there has been a new permit issued, to amend the existing storm water plan to utilize the Rhine River for future development, there’s no attachment as of yet. This leads me to believe that this most likely is due to this new coaster seeing that most projects just require a land disturbance permit and maybe a CPF permit, so this would be a very large change, after leaning on some of my colleagues from work on there insight to on this as well, the agreed upon speculation is that they are submitting a substantial plan with dramatic reworking of ground and they have to prove the Rhine can hold and expel water at the needed rate for future expansion. What this could mean, the new coaster will clearly enough land area that enough run off is introduced to require this extra level of approval, I hope this not true sense coasters have every little physical foot prints that would mean we could be looking at another pantheon field clearing design, alternatively this could mean that bgw is submitting a much larger long term plan what would see a much larger area then the coaster will be utilizing with the potential for more buildings paths potential other rides placed in the area and providing appropriate infrastructure to the Rhine to be “future proofed” if you will. That is all speculation with out actual eyes on plans. One thing that is for sure proven by this, that this extra step being taken is one more level of the development red tape that will for sure prove that this project will be even further pushed down the road before we see any physical signs of progress.
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Yeah, gonna need to see some proof tomorrow
Yeah, gonna need to see some proof tomorrow
Not necessarily doubting your findings, but it is April 1st
Its real, I noticed it this morning as well.
It's real but I don't think it's as substantial as is being stated here.
It might not be, but for them to update there storm water plan,it is going to require them to have all new storm water plan engineered so that’s a pretty big cost for only one project, and the only projects that would require a revisit to the storm water plan would be one that greatly impacts the amount exposed and altered rain run off area (heavy trench work, many trees/vegetation removed) any thing that would create more flooding they have to prove or alter the Rhine to absorb. The only things that come to mind are a huge clearing or additional calculations for any potential future plans. It could be something all together different too. the park may be looking at larger projects else where we don’t know about, they maybe have hit there limit on the allowable disturbed land to run off plan. The main thing I was stressing is this will be a huge paperwork process the park will go through that will slow everything down that we as guest see.
Just turn the plot into a zoo at this point, they haven’t been able to do shit with it for 25 years now
This was related to SP-21-0111 and needing to adjust the dam so the Rhine river water levels could be lower to allow for construction of the lochness monster. Has nothing to do with the 2025 Rollercoaster. And to also note it was needed so they could also return the water levels to normal operations once the construction was completed.
How long is everyone think it's going to take to build this new Rollercoaster? Lol place your bets!
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I always try to clarify if I’m speaking facts or speculation I hope people see that in my posts. Is there Any chance you can share the permit id love to take a look at it, as far as finishing this coaster, it’s the only thing I feel confident in posting is its going to be awhile, as of posting this they still have not passed a site review and they are scheduled for there next approval 4/25/24 so that’s the soonest they will even be able to move forward that’s if they pass, they also still have two open Chesapeake bay case studies and you have to hope they don’t have a major environmental impact that will have to be dealt with/reengineered for. Then they still have the rest of the approval process, all departments sign off on, then permits need to be issued, contractors released to begin, equipment brought on site best I can tell there isn’t a great way to access the site with out disturbing the guests so your talking about potential having to cutting in an access road from a different access point, I would be shocked if we saw any actually coaster progress before August at the soonest
Not saying I know anything, but both might not be related to P2025.
No similar permits appear for previous times they lowered and raised the Rhine. Also the permit was only requested 3/29/24 It would be really late in the process to request a permit for a key aspect related to Lochness Monster work. I don't believe it's related directly in ant significant way to project 2025 but it seems very unlikely that it's related to Lochness Monster.
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Revisiting in already place permits, came across some documents that were uploaded mid March attached are some photos. Some of these things only confirm what we already thought but Some things to note that I see, there is a PILE of trees marked as to be saved, there are multiple buildings to be constructed with out any labeling presumably just for themeing, the there seems to be some theming fencing involved mid course as well. Another to note from the planing letter there seems to be a note in place that the ride color over certain height is to be a neutral color, I would assume that means we’re either getting a neutral color coaster or a coaster that skates under a height limit ?
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On the second picture you submitted it has a mark of "portion of structure 63' above grade" Assuming this is the tallest point it only makes it 3' taller than the 60' above grade muted color requirement JRC wrote about. I guess if we are lucky that could be a support and have muted supports and keep the red track in homage of BBW
BGW could also submit a waiver to that requirement since it would only be 3' taller than the rule and keep whatever color they want. With that small a difference they most likely would get it.
What intrigues me the most is they marked trees specifically to be saved… so I have some hope that the ride won’t be so barren on its far end.
I'd rather not give them any way of trying to pass this off as the return of the Wolf, since this isn't swinging. This ride is shaping up to be the worthy successor with tight clearance near-miss theming - it would be a disservice at best and insult at worst to the legacy of the Wolf and to this ride's own merits to sell it as something it isn't.
EDIT: Surprised to see the eye-roll reaction. Why? I'm overall very optimistic about this ride now.
I would be fine if they made references to the Wolf. I’d even be OK with calling it Son of the Wolf or Wolf’s Echoes or something. Just don’t call it The Big Bad Wolf Returns or something in that vein, unless somehow it swings.
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@Th3Nach posted that exact thing last week a handful of posts above yours.
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