Seeing as they linked the BGWFans article, and even mentions the type of coaster...
It's a pretty strong maybe.
It's a pretty strong maybe.
Project 2025/Holzfäller: Big Bad Wolf 2 (B&M Family Invert)
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With the construction of the new coaster; how much of Festhaus Park will be left for future development? Seems like fencing and such will prohibit the cleared infield from anything; and the ravine area towards the Rhine will be also blocked. Also, any construction that wouldn’t infringe on Verbolten territory. The more you really think about it… this really is a strange move on the park.
I’ll have to say I’m not completely annoyed at this project, simply because I have children that would enjoy it.
BUT, when I envision a Gwazi death roll down towards the river, or a helix that circles around/through Festhaus park area, or an inversion over the river…
I can think of ideas better than this, like many others here have.
I’d like to see a family invert added somewhere, and maybe we move Sesame Street entirely behind Festhaus (and add a parade…that would be sweet).
Hopefully fate will flush this idea down like all the other things. Let’s add a flat in 2025 outside Verbolten, outside Pantheon…and let’s go big in 2026 perhaps.
BUT, when I envision a Gwazi death roll down towards the river, or a helix that circles around/through Festhaus park area, or an inversion over the river…
I can think of ideas better than this, like many others here have.
I’d like to see a family invert added somewhere, and maybe we move Sesame Street entirely behind Festhaus (and add a parade…that would be sweet).
Hopefully fate will flush this idea down like all the other things. Let’s add a flat in 2025 outside Verbolten, outside Pantheon…and let’s go big in 2026 perhaps.
I really hope we see last second adjustments for theme. If this plot will be used for that give us that at least. Feels like they are trying to make Oktoberfest the “family friendly” area that’s one step up from FoF.
But TBH the more I think of it….the less I hate that idea.
But TBH the more I think of it….the less I hate that idea.
It seems like a sprawling layout that uses a lot of space. If they were willing to make it compact enough to fit some of the locations suggested, it could also fit in a smaller area of Festhaus park. But maybe it doesn't exclude another coaster. If it's already planned out, 2 words spring to mind: PACKAGE DEAL.
From looking at the plans (I’m not expert) it seems that fencing , maintenance roads and Verbolten’s layout prohibits any development towards the Rhine. Which is a real shame be cause the land presents such a fun plot for exciting potential. That dive into the ravine that Drachen Spire promised was
It’ll be interesting how they develop this tract of hollowed ground. Because I find it interesting that a family coaster is so far off the beaten path. Especially since there are no other attractions close. Even a throwback to BBW seems a bit wasted ; if that’s the route we may see.
The should’ve put this in Pantheons plot and vice versa.
Just need a Festhaus train station which should be easy to just plop there and the rides location won't be as big of a question. For someone's sake, transportation will easily do the trick.
I thought they ruled out a train stop because the locomotive would not be able to get up enough momentum or something to that effect. There are others much more advanced in that regard. However, I think it was mentioned that you could run the trains the opposite direction
That's been discussed in depth on a different thread, but the TLDR of it is that you're pretty much correct; however I believe it was only the green train engine (which incidentally was not original to BGW) that couldn't restart up the grade in FHP. Additionally, reverse circuit wouldn't work mostly because of how trains are able to access backstage areas for maintenance (though perhaps this isn't as much of a deterrent as was originally thought).
I'm curious though, the mention of fencing towards the Rhine - what about it is stopping any further coaster development? The main things in my mind that'd stop it would be the RPA buffer zone approval and money (assuming JCC doesn't also add major hurdles to the process).
I'm curious though, the mention of fencing towards the Rhine - what about it is stopping any further coaster development? The main things in my mind that'd stop it would be the RPA buffer zone approval and money (assuming JCC doesn't also add major hurdles to the process).
The Daily Press has also picked up the story and is citing BGWFans as a source.
www.dailypress.com
New roller coaster could be coming to Busch Gardens in 2025
According to the application, the site of the attraction is in the Festhaus Park area where the long-demolished Drachen Fire ride was previously located.
www.dailypress.com
I will add that the train circles the park (clockwise) in the opposite direction of the sky ride (counterclockwise), forming an inner and outer loop of in-park transportation which are IMO quite versatile by amusement park standards. Particularly given the terrain.
Flipping the trains' direction for the purpose of enabling an Oktoberfest stop would mean a transportation downgrade for anyone trying to move through the park clockwise. Parties with kids, older guests, or anyone else with mobility challenges would be affected.
It still seems to me that locating the Oktoberfest station immediately behind Festhaus would provide a flat station area with immediate access to both Festhaus Field and the Festhaus itself. Frankly the park's biggest transportation miss (at least on days when the trams run) is a more direct means to get from the park entrance to its biggest eatery.
^^-- If the train went counterclockwise, that would just mean backtracking clockwise instead to get where you want to go! That's partially a joke, but seriously, having only 3 stops each does limit the usefulness of BGW's transport rides. Additionally, the skyride stations don't align with the train stations.
If there were only 2 stops, it wouldn't matter which direction they went, while adding more stops than 3 would make the direction more significant. The additional wait time at the added station would partially offset the convenience.
If there were only 2 stops, it wouldn't matter which direction they went, while adding more stops than 3 would make the direction more significant. The additional wait time at the added station would partially offset the convenience.
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It is in some ways a benefit to have the two transportation systems stop in different places, especially if you are at the front of the park.
Then there's the back half of Oktoberfest, for which there are no truly close options at all. I didn't appreciate the significant distance between the Germany skyride station and the Festhaus until I had little kids. Then it became ... evident. Additionally, the Rhinefeld-to-Oktoberfest grade is challenging for the very young and very old (or otherwise less-mobile) alike.
The unique terrain provides half of BGW's innate charm IMO, but it also requires a high functioning transport network, especially now with a 42" height limit ride going into the most remote and least tranport-accessible corner of the park. Each addition in the back of Oktoberfest adds more pressure for an expanded transport solution. Maybe someday it'll happen.
Things I never cared about until I had to for family reasons...
Then there's the back half of Oktoberfest, for which there are no truly close options at all. I didn't appreciate the significant distance between the Germany skyride station and the Festhaus until I had little kids. Then it became ... evident. Additionally, the Rhinefeld-to-Oktoberfest grade is challenging for the very young and very old (or otherwise less-mobile) alike.
The unique terrain provides half of BGW's innate charm IMO, but it also requires a high functioning transport network, especially now with a 42" height limit ride going into the most remote and least tranport-accessible corner of the park. Each addition in the back of Oktoberfest adds more pressure for an expanded transport solution. Maybe someday it'll happen.
Things I never cared about until I had to for family reasons...
Maybe when this project is officially announced by the park, we will be given some insight into the reason for this location. Fingers crossed for a “Black Forest” extension. As much as I am hoping for such a project. I think that this may be a case of “quick and easy”. I’m not sure if a long term plan is in place.
I meant as a transit to sit for the people that struggle to make the walk as you suggested. It’s the mid point of the train stop and sky ride stop along that area and gets into Oktoberfest as a stop.
I mean, it’s not gonna happen but one can dream.
I wonder how feasible it would be to relocate the Germany Skyride station back to the Mach Tower location?
I also wonder how it would work to make the train bridge regraded up to do a regrading of FHP to have a stop back there.
I dunno, I keep going back and forth that this ride is gone be good, but I just fear it’s going to suffer low ridership because of how much it’s hidden. It won’t break the tree line back there, it’s not visible from any easy to access paths, it doesn’t seem like there’s going to be room for much else back there. I caught flack for this when other rides were proposed, but I really feel like moving the picnic area and Der Autobahn would be good for P2025 to open up site lines back that way. I would push that picnic area/beer garden back behind Festhaus rather than it’s current spot, find room back by P2025 to put a relocated Der Autobahn, get in another flat back there (maybe @Zachary ’s Glockenshpiel idea) where the beer garden was, make the entrance way a nice plaza. Open up the sight lines and make it inviting. That would put at least 4 attractions/places to go into that would make it worth walking to.
I don't think the sky ride stations have ever existed anywhere other than their current locations?
IIRC, though, Der Whirbelwind was located in MT's area long ago with a footbridge right behind the carousel that lead to the swings. The going theory is that it was removed because guests bypassed a lot of in-park spending opportunities.
Not at all. It would require a major redesign of the entire system and introduce a ton of right-of-way issues. If/when the skyride is eventually retired, assuming the park invests in a new system, I essentially guarantee that it will follow the same exact route as the current one.
If anything, a more "realistic," very long-term proposal could be a second cable car line connecting the back of Festa to the Holzfäller area.
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