Project 2012

[newsie]

RE: Replacement Project For Big Bad Wolf

The application has been modified to say "Applicant proposes 2011 expansion to Germany to include new food buildings, walkway modifications, and major attraction (permitted through recently approved HW-0002-2010)."

This is definitely for the drop tower where Katapult is. White markings have also been painted on the pathways surrounding Katapult.

 

[Zachary]

RE: Replacement Project For Big Bad Wolf

Anyone got a picture of said markings?

 

[Nora]

RE: Replacement Project For Big Bad Wolf

Of course! Discovered the same day of the Bangles concert!! I was going to post it that night, but after writing the review of the concert and getting it posted with photos- it was about 2am and I had work.. sleep was calling.

But....ummm...Yay! I thought it would be over by Katipult.. yay! My sacred land o' BBW shall be reserved for a coaster. Hope remains! Oh let it be called Der Wulf! Just "The Wolf"... simple and yet powerful.

As for the photos attached, I saw the numbers 4 and 5 under the Katipult and the number 3 was under the German Pole in between the swings and Katipult. If anyone does not know the pole I speak of, I have a photo of it.

 

[Zachary]

RE: Replacement Project For Big Bad Wolf

I'm sorry, but I'm not convinced.

Remember what the application said:

Applicant proposes 2011 expansion to Germany to include new food buildings, walkway modifications, and major attraction

My Predictions:

1. The upcoming Drop Tower uses the line area left over from the Big Bad Wolf and is located on the current station platform.
2. Katapult gets scrapped, sold, or put into storage.
3. New food/shops take the area used by Katapult.
4. A walkway to bypass Der Marktplatz will be added to increase crowd flow though Germany and thus to the Drop Tower.

I'll be the first to admit that my predictions sound very grim. I really hope that this isn't the way that it turns out, however, I don't see anything to point me in any other direction. Here is why I think the way I do:

Prediction One:
I honestly don't see why Busch would leave such a large building standing for so long with no intention of using it in the VERY near future. Now many would argue that it will be used for Busch's next coaster, however, what kind of coaster could use that station? An Arrow? Anything else? Not that I know of. Now unless Busch would really be... dumb enough to build a recycled Arrow coaster, I don't see how the station can be reused (at least by another coaster).

Prediction Two:
I might sound like I'm a few fries short of a Happy Meal (Thanks Weird Al!), but I don't think that Katapult will be relocated. Why? One, it is so very similar to it's younger brother over in Da Vinci's Garden. Two, it doesn't draw the crowds that it once did (especially when you compare it to it's younger sibling).

Prediction Three:
Looks like a great outdoor eating area too me! It says pretty shady, doesn't have bad views, and it very assessable to people watching the fireworks from the conveniently located bridge.

Prediction Four:
This one is pure speculation.

NOTE: This is another one of those late-night posts that I can easily see myself looking back on in the morning and thinking "What was wrong with me?!".

 

[CastleOSullivan]

RE: Replacement Project For Big Bad Wolf

Although I don't really care for Vekoma it has enough room for a Vekoma Suspended Looper. But still no Vekomas. I do wish so much that they could bring back Big Bad Wolf in a better form. The only change I would make is to make it smoother. Also, I don't know how much room there is there for a restaurant and a drop tower.

 

[Zachary]

RE: Replacement Project For Big Bad Wolf

Do you mean that you don't know if there is enough where Katapult is or not enough room period?

I don't see that there would be enough room for both where Katapult is which, again, points me in the same direction as I was thinking last night. I don't think there is room for both on one side of the path. Seeing that they aren't putting a restaurant where The Wolf was, I believe that is where the drop tower will be.

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UPDATE:
This was just posted to Twitter by @Tazshu:

@BehindThrills There was bout 5 peeps there doing the surveying,& several extension cords laying around & through #bigbadwolf old station.

Source: http://twitter.com/tazshu/status/19765060011 [via @BehindThrills]

UPDATE 2:
@Tazshu also posted this picture:

Anyone else at the park today?

 

[Nora]

RE: Replacement Project For Big Bad Wolf

My feeling is that the park will soon announce the plans for the Wolf area and the drop tower. I mean, they can only keep it a secret for so long.

None of us really know why the station remains; everything here is only speculation.

My gut strongly tells me that the BBW location will be a new coaster. It just makes sense. The terrain is too perfect and valuable not to have another coaster built. Surveying for said coaster could be happening now (outside the realm of work being done on the drop tower) as it takes a heck of a long time to grade the land and build these things. Busch Gardens always goes for custom terrain coasters; which I would venture to guess takes more work and time to come up with and build.

My gut also tells me it will be a B&M as BGW has such a good relationship with the company.

Just because the release of info about a drop ride has happened, does not mean that work is not being done for another ride. If I am wrong, I am wrong. But as they say in who wants to be a millionaire, "That's my final answer." (for now anyway)

 

[Cedarva]

RE: Replacement Project For Big Bad Wolf

This is so exciting! I wonder how this is going to play out.

 

[Zachary]

RE: Replacement Project For Big Bad Wolf

I honestly don't see how you could build another coaster inside of that station. If this was RollerCoaster Tycoon it wouldn't be a problem, but sadly it isn't. As far as I know, there are no longer any builders who build stations on a slant like Arrow did. That, by itself, is a major renovation. Then they would have to modify the width of the loading platform, thus shortening the lines for each row. If this is still not enough, they would then have to somehow get the track and supports built inside the station. There comes a point when it is better to just start over. Sadly, I believe that this is one of those times.

And just to reiterate what Nora said: "...everything here is only speculation."

Anyway, we know something is happening to Katapult. What do you all think its fate will be?

 

[pandorazboxx]

RE: Replacement Project For Big Bad Wolf

Maybe it gets moved inside that tent that they closed off in italy, that used to house some games.

 

[Shafor]

RE: Replacement Project For Big Bad Wolf

I'm in the camp that thinks the drop tower is going on the BBW side (maybe we need a poll ) No good reasoning, I just never thought that it would look or feel "right" in the space where the Katapult is.

 

[waross]

RE: Replacement Project For Big Bad Wolf

If Busch and Gerstlauer got together to make a terrain Euro-fighter, using the village and new set designs, that would rock pretty hard. Two lift hills and maybe a launch, which they are now incorporating into their new Euros.

 

[Zachary]

RE: Replacement Project For Big Bad Wolf

Pandorazboxx, I was thinking the same thing; however, I think it would be a little too close to the Flying Machine. For those of you who don't know, we are talking about this building:

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[Sky]

RE: Replacement Project For Big Bad Wolf

Whatever they do, if Katapult is scrapped the whole premise of a "KIDsiderate" park is a whole bunch of hypocrisy. You took out a family coaster, and now possibly a family flat ride. I still want them to move the Katapult back to Ireland. Add the old effects from Castle O' Sullivan, and Ireland will experience a Renaissance.

It's 10:42 and I'm irritable. That's my excuse if this post made absolutely no sense.
-Skyrider

 

[Zachary]

RE: Replacement Project For Big Bad Wolf

I have to disagree with you there Skyrider. There is another ride just like it across the bridge and I think that if you went around and asked people, they would pick the Flying Machine.

Trust me, I'd love to see it in Castle O' Sullivan as well, but I doubt Elmo will be moving out anytime soon.

 

[Nora]

RE: Replacement Project For Big Bad Wolf

Ah~ The station house conundrum. Although, how would it be used for a drop tower as it is? Wouldn't they also need to convert it in some way? Whether it is a coaster there or a tower that uses the old building; neither would just "magically" fit.

Speaking of magical; here is a theory... perhaps the station house will be the door to Candy Mountain, full of sweets and joy... and joyness. The German Polka music is already in the equation for it. Let me ask the magical Liopleurodon to see if he knows the answer.

In all seriousness though, the station house is not even in my equation at this point. The terrain is. Using that land for a drop tower is just plain moronic if that is how the game is played by Busch.

Besides, if you look at the unused space between the large Gift Shop in Germany and the Katipult; that is a lot of space just sitting there doing nothing.

Ugh.. I just wish they would announce it... rip off the band aid for Pete's sake and end the debate! I am tired and want to know. Come on BGW- play ball!

 

[gr8mat]

RE: Replacement Project For Big Bad Wolf

here's something that i would like to see with the old bbw station. build a coaster and in the middle of the ride have the ride go and stop in the old bbw station where it shows a clip about wolves and then at the end of the clip the wolf opens its mouth and then you shoot off like your going into the wolf's mouth. and then continue on. where you still use the station for what is was built for. roller coasters

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saying things about the new drop tower. check this out.
http://www.vagazette.com/articles/2010/04/28/news/doc4bd78c0de3232420231208.txt

 

[waross]

RE: Replacement Project For Big Bad Wolf

here's something that i would like to see with the old bbw station. build a coaster and in the middle of the ride have the ride go and stop in the old bbw station where it shows a clip about wolves and then at the end of the clip the wolf opens its mouth and then you shoot off like your going into the wolf's mouth. and then continue on. where you still use the station for what is was built for. roller coasters

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saying things about the new drop tower. check this out.
http://www.vagazette.com/articles/2010/04/28/news/doc4bd78c0de3232420231208.txt

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LOL. Awesome. I want to see you propose this to Busch. In my head, it plays out like this......."You see, we're traveling along and then we pull in here and watch a little movie about wolves.....then when thats over, we launch into this wolf mouth....."

 

[Spencer]

RE: Replacement Project For Big Bad Wolf

Ok. I think that the drop tower will be more than likely on the BBW side.I think the Katapult will be removed to increase capacity for the traffic of the tower. And I hope there is an announcement soon.

For 2012, I think there will be a new coaster and probably a new land

 

[pandorazboxx]

RE: Replacement Project For Big Bad Wolf

The flying machine and katapult are very different in the effect on the rider I think. Flying machine feels a little tamer (if that's possible) even though it spins you sideways. But the Katapult feels faster and gives you one of those weak stomach feelings during the ride. I think it would fit in well with all the other spinny rides there in festa.