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RE: LeMans Raceway

Whatever you greenies and meanies and naysayers think, the heady perfume of uncombusted gasoline vapors and dirty exhaust permeating the still and humid air— the interminable putter and clatter of 49 inefficient 2-stroke engines— the punishing glare of the summer sun— the slim, watery comfort of a lukewarm six-dollar Budweiser... that was the quintessential Busch Gardens Williamsburg experience. RIP.
 
RE: LeMans Raceway

Nicole said:
Full disclosure: I don't particularly miss Le Mans Raceway.  My chief memory of the attraction is standing in a long, boring, hot line.

Regardless,

The fact is a ride that people say was not exciting seemed to always have an extremely long line. So the argument for a replacement for this type of attraction is valid.
 
RE: LeMans Raceway

I think there are quite a few thrilling family rides, but there just isn't as much relaxing family rides like Le Mans. It didn't go to fast, or upside down, or anything overall spectacular. It was a nice ride that the whole family enjoyed without having a thrill element. I feel this is the main thing the park has lost.

They cater to young children with KIDsiderate rides, then they cater to those of all ages who enjoy thrills of varying levels with only a few rides that really cater to those who prefer a more relaxing ride. I really do wish the park would add more rides similar to Le Mans in the since there isn't a lot of thrill, but it still is something everyone loves.
 
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I never said they should have removed it or shouldn't replace it. I just said that I, personally, don't miss it.

The real point of my post was gas vs electric.

That said, the very fact that I don't miss it, means that not everyone, in fact, loves it.
 
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A single two-stroke engine can emit as many hydrocarbons and carbon monoxide as up to 50 full size car engines. This is partially due to all of the mandated features on modern cars that cut down on emissions, which two-strokes largely don't have. Still, two-strokes are just nasty little things which burn some engine lubricating oil in addition to fuel, generating a ton of pollution for their size.

There have been some efforts to replace two-stroke carbs with fuel injection systems, cutting down on engine oil contamination and therefore toxic emissions. I don't follow it closely enough to know how successful they have been in actual use, but I am quite sure that conversions or newer engines are not free. And in any event the resulting two-strokes likely are still bigger polluters than their 4-stroke brethren, particularly in comparison with power output.

Running 50 simultaneous two-strokes all day long probably caught more than one person's eye at a theme park that pays a lot of attention to preserving and protecting wildlife and ecology.
 
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I'd say that since the attraction itself uses electricity, they don't need to rely on gas or coal burning. At that point the blame is one the electric company to change their methods and not the park. Therefore, the park/company would be in the clear and seen as trying to do all it can do.
 
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It is sad how electric companies don't have more pressure put on them to change their methods to a more eco friendly stance. Then again, I can understand there are some places they can't do but so much.
 
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If you are comparing a coal burning power plant to a two-stroke engine, you will find that the two-stroke is BY FAR the bigger polluter per unit energy delivered. By far.

An entire coal-fired power plant, run as inefficiently and with as few emissions control measures as a leaf blower motor, would be a complete ecological disaster and would not be allowed to operate.

And that's coal, arguably the dirtiest large-scale power source in widespread use.

Don't get me wrong... I love my backpack leaf blower, weed whacker, power edger, etc., and use them without spending much time thinking about it. But there is just no comparison there when it comes to identifying the lesser evil.
 
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RE: LeMans Raceway

Party Rocker said:
It is sad how electric companies don't have more pressure put on them to change their methods to a more eco friendly stance. Then again, I can understand there are some places they can't do but so much.

How electric companies make their electricity has what to do with Le Mans again? Oh yeah, nothing.
 
I hope there is a hell so that Al Gore can roast there for creating a whole generation of young people who can't separate science from politics. Unfortunately, the important field of ecology has just become another refuge for the ancient human curses of puritanism and vanity. I don't believe that ecological factors played any part in the decision to demolish Le Mans Raceway but if they had, then it would have been yet another example of the sort of meaningless, "greener-than-thou" political gestures that plague modern life.

Le Mans Raceway and similar rides had/have an infinitesimally small ecological impact when compared to thousands of other activities and events, both human-made and natural.
 
Come on guys, lets get back on topic to Le Scoot we wouldn't want to derail a legitimate and intriguing argument.

I loved Le Mans, it was fun, relaxing, and enjoyable on so many levels. I wish they could have put Griffon somewhere else or bring Le Mans back in some fashion, green or gasy.
 
Jonquil said:
Le Mans Raceway and similar rides had/have an infinitesimally small ecological impact when compared to thousands of other activities and events, both human-made and natural.
Agreed, but the same can be said of just about anything when you compare it with some other thing that is even worse. Compared with the spectacularly, absurdly massive emissions from cargo ships or the occasional volcano, for example, very very few other things look bad at all.

Which is why "hey look over there at that guy" is a poor way to think about it, in my opinion. The issue is in front of each of us, not elsewhere.

I happen to miss Le Mans and wish it had remained, two-strokes and all. The gas-oil smell was part of the experience and it would seem that no endangered Bolivian frogs got slimed with toxins due to a slow go-kart ride. But in the unlikely event that there was any corporate symbolic gesture associated with eliminating that attraction's hydrocarbon-spewers from the park, I say it was as legitimate as any other ecological gesture they might make. Look elsewhere within Busch Gardens... Frankly, saving a handful of wounded birds or wolves does basically nothing for the Earth -- yet I think most people here would agree that the value and power of saving them goes beyond providing a mere path-side spectacle for tourists. Symbolism, both in what we conserve and in what we eliminate, can be a powerful thing.

My opinion is that Le Mans went away because it was low-capacity, increasingly expensive to run, sprawly through a high-value area of the park, possibly less popular than in years past, a high-touch maintenance attraction with increasingly scarce/expensive replacement parts in the market, and probably unhealthy to stand next to all day as a ride op. Still, I do wish they had relocated it or installed some kind of replacement instead of just eliminating the attraction. Drachen Fire's field seemed like a perfect place at the time. Now, to someone else's point, you'd have four car rides abutting each other over there, instead of "only" three.
 
It is worth noting that the power from Hampton Roads is supplied by both coal, gas and nuclear. SURRY!!! With any luck soon we will have off shore wind as well.
 
Jonquil said:
Whatever you greenies and meanies and naysayers think, the heady perfume of uncombusted gasoline vapors and dirty exhaust permeating the still and humid air— the interminable putter and clatter of 49 inefficient 2-stroke engines— the punishing glare of the summer sun— the slim, watery comfort of a lukewarm six-dollar Budweiser... that was the quintessential Busch Gardens Williamsburg experience. RIP.

I completely agree with this. That is the Busch gardens experience I'll always remember most fondly.
 
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