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My opinion of an "adult" house would be one where they could really ramp up the gore and disturbing imagery. You could touch on things that you would never be able to with an "all ages" house (you know, execution, torture, demonic possession, fun stuff like that;) ). And there's plenty you could do within the confines of some sort of "period" story (i.e. Jact the Ripper). It wouldn't have to be modern. And it doesn't have to be about vampire hookers or whatever.

If it's confined to ONE house (possibly separately ticketed), where it was advertised "Our scariest house ever. Warning, contains extremely disturbing imagery and mature themes. Suggested for (or restricted to) adults 18 years of age or older." I think it'd be a huge hit, that wouldn't impact the park's family friendly image at all.

Also, the age "restrictions" really are a pipe dream. The park is never going to do that and there really is no way to enforce it anyway. I think age "suggestions" are completely appropriate, would be a huge improvement over their ridiculous pumpkin ratings, and really would cut down on parents dragging small children through houses who have no business being in them .
 
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studiopzp said:
*facepalm*

Let me say this first, I don't have kids. Based on observations from both in general and working one season at Land of the Dragons, I can tell you that a lot of parents don't even care or notice that when they try to make it so their kids have fun it effects other people. When they're at a park, their only mission is for their kids to have fun no matter who it screws over or what rules they break. I really hope a parent on here can confirm this theory. :p
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I'm not a parent, but judging from being at different places including parks, that parents these days are different than they used to be. Back 10-15 years ago parents did not seem to have the attitude like what you described above.
Now, I'm not saying that all parents are like this, but there is a group who is.
 
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Kiss_n_tell_102 said:
I didn't mean a teenage only, I meant a 13 + house or somthing. Like seriously putting an age restrition is stupid and way selfish.
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Like, is putting an age restriction on buying alcohol and cigarettes seriously stupid and way selfish? Nope.

Are there some things that grownups like to do and enjoy that should not involve children? (SN: and yes, if you are under 18, you are still a child. All day, everyday) Totally.

This such a circle of head banging against the wall discussion that we will all never see eye to eye about.

HHN doesn't hurt USO's family branding. Had a massive year last year due to HP, which appeals to-wait for it- families. They don't worry about toning anything down. And before we say BGW is not a resort park, I believe it is. We don't have that wow factor that Orlando does, but there is tons to do around here and we are surrounded by vacation destinations. Families flock to VA Beach (for whatever reason, makes no sense to me) and we all know how the nightlife is there. And yet the families still come. And spend money. And then go back to their rooms and the adults come out. And spend money. When it comes down to branding, I believe profits will win everytime.

I would like to think that this dual theme between us and Tampa is a test. If it goes well with the revamps, granted the final product is carried through how we think it will be, I could very well see us getting a Club Virus and an Alone house soon.
 
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^ Exactly. Little kids are stupid and shouldn't get in the way of adults having adult fun, especially at something totally adult like a Halloween theme park. It's serious business.

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I'm fine with what Shafor is suggesting, I guess the only difference is if they enforce it or now.

There was one show at RPT where they did have people at the gate turning kids away.
 
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DoctorMoneyMD said:
^ Exactly. Little kids are stupid and shouldn't get in the way of adults having adult fun, especially at something totally adult like a Halloween theme park. It's serious business.

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Yea, because adults having adult fun at a Halloween event at a theme park has never worked. You're exactly right.

And I never said kids were stupid. As a mother, I wouldn't say that. Please refrain from putting words in my mouth. Thanks.

Children have their place and adults have theirs and sometimes those don't and shouldn't mix.
 
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RocketChk said:
Like, is putting an age restriction on buying alcohol...seriously stupid and way selfish? Nope.
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Right, :dodgy: Me and you do live in the same state, right? Anyway, moving on.

I want to point out, that just because something works at BGT doesn't mean it's going to work at BGW. They both cater to two different demographics in two different geographical and economical regions.
 
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RocketChk said:
This such a circle of head banging against the wall discussion that we will all never see eye to eye about.
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Thats exactly right.

BG is a theme park, they cant turn kids away, all they can do is suggest that they dont do certain things
 
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Alpenscoot said:
BG is a theme park, they cant turn kids away, all they can do is suggest that they dont do certain things
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They need to do a better job of that though. When Monster Stomp has the same "scare rating" as Cursed, you're not giving very good info to parents.
 
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RocketChk said:
Yea, because adults having adult fun at a Halloween event at a theme park has never worked. You're exactly right.

And I never said kids were stupid. As a mother, I wouldn't say that. Please refrain from putting words in my mouth. Thanks.

Children have their place and adults have theirs and sometimes those don't and shouldn't mix.
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First: I didn't put words in your mouth. You said what you said, and I said kids are stupid. I was just extrapolating.

Now, as to the other two points, I'll first say that you are absolutely right in that adult-themed Halloween events CAN and DO work. But as BGEurope said, this is not Tampa, nor is it Orlando. As there are no real resort hotels in the area, most of the tourists are staying an hour away, and half of the "locals" are traveling some similar distance (From Richmond or Norfolk). If they are there with their families, there is very little chance that they are going to want to take the kids all the way home and then trek back for some adults-only fun.

I understand, of course, that this is about an 18+ house, and families with teens would be just fine (since teens don't want to hang out with their goofy parents anyway). But families with smaller kids would be forced to choose between passing around their kids on one-at-a-time trips through the house, coming and ditching at 6 PM, or leaving the kids at home in the first place. Any scenario presents headaches, and the latter represents a major revenue loss for the park.

As to what you said about there being places for adults and children, I agree. But usually, that line of division falls somewhere near strip clubs, bars, nice restaurants and (depending on how young the kid is) movie theaters. I don't believe that Busch Gardens Williamsburg, home of the Sesame Street Forrest of Fun, should be a place where that line should be drawn. There are TONS of adults-only Halloween events in every nightclub in America, plus about 42,000 haunted hayrides that don't skimp on the chainsaw wielding mass-murderers, severed-heads, etc. Just go to one of them.

All kidding aside, I don't have a problem with *some* age restriction on *some* attractions. But 18 and up? What on earth could you possibly think is appropriate for Busch Gardens that would be any higher than PG-13? If a 14 year old couldn't handle it, in terms of Halloween theme-park haunts, it probably goes too far. Seriously, I'd like to hear some examples: what would you want in The World's Most Beautiful Theme Park that would be so bad that you had to restrict it from the view of people who could legally join the army or go see SAW in a movie theater?
 
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DoctorMoneyMD said:
But families with smaller kids would be forced to choose between passing around their kids on one-at-a-time trips through the house, coming and ditching at 6 PM, or leaving the kids at home in the first place.
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Um, that's exactly what parent's with small kids do now.
 
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People are complaining that people are suggesting ONE adult age restricted haunted house, in one whole THEME PARK chock full of rides and things for all ages? I mean a 3 year old cant ride apollo's chariot or griffon... no complaining there...


I mean even if they did a club virus type thing in HOS, You gonna complain cause kids cant do it too?


What is wrong with you guys. Not everything can and not everything will ever be totally adult/kid compatible. This is the stupidest HOS argument to date. Just cause we have a bunch of kids at the event doesnt mean that any and all adult oriented entertainment should be left away from the event. That's ludicrous.

And the Idea that one time a year Busch cant open up to more adult entertainment options for a whole amazing 24 or so NIGHTS in the whole operating... Is truly unbelievable.

They can do tons with HOS. But sticking to a No worse than PG-13 mindset for the whole park... is kinda selfish. There's simply no need for it.
 
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Shafor said:
DoctorMoneyMD said:
But families with smaller kids would be forced to choose between passing around their kids on one-at-a-time trips through the house, coming and ditching at 6 PM, or leaving the kids at home in the first place.
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Um, that's exactly what parent's with small kids do now.
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That is true.
 
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Youhow2 said:
This is the stupidest HOS argument to date...the Idea that one time a year Busch cant open up to more adult entertainment options for a whole amazing 24 or so NIGHTS...Is truly unbelievable...But sticking to a No worse than PG-13 mindset for the whole park... is kinda selfish. There's simply no need for it.
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You can't give them an inch, man. You give up and inch, and they build Europe in the Air.

Again, I ask, what in the name of God would you want to put in the park that would be so offensive that you would have to have a HIGHER than PG-13 rating on it? Real animal sacrifices?

Geez.
 
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I think alone does that, by charging a fee. Only people trying to really be scared get to experience it.
 
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