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Avalanche is one of those "Legacy" rides that Cedar Fair is currently planning around. Provided replacement parts remain cheap and abundant it won't be going anywhere.

Mack has a handful of bobsled coasters including one in their own park in Germany so parts will be easy to obtain.

Avalanche is staying put for now.
 
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Avalanche is one of those "Legacy" rides that Cedar Fair is currently planning around. Provided replacement parts remain cheap and abundant it won't be going anywhere.
I'd hope that Cedar Fair's newfound relationship with Mack (Copperhead Strike) means Avalanche will have parts for years.

EDIT: Unagi beat me to it.

Thinking of how a replacement coaster could be done - any idea if they could build track over Flight of Fear's launch / return?
 
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KD invested multiple millions of dollars into updating the ride itself along with the mountain it resided on over multiple years to make sure everything is nice and proper. You don't just up and decide to drop an investment like that, especially on a ride that is far and away the most important one to guests on an average visit.

I totally agree with this and think that it's even more reason to field the possibility of something happening to Volcano other than complete destruction.

Kings Dominion and Cedar Fair have shown a long-term willingness to invest heavily into Volcano. They have already invested oodles of money into the mountain. If they can retain the benefits of even a fraction of that investment, it seems like they would.

Lets say Cedar Fair was confronted with having to rebuild the launches (heavily rumored to be the case), reconfigure the station again to increase capacity (rumored), and do some intermittent track/structure replacement (random guess). At some point maybe you just tell Intamin to keep what makes sense and build a new coaster utilizing what's worth saving?
 
Lets say Cedar Fair was confronted with having to rebuild the launches (heavily rumored to be the case), reconfigure the station again to increase capacity (rumored), and do some intermittent track/structure replacement (random guess). At some point maybe you just tell Intamin to keep what makes sense and build a new coaster utilizing what's worth saving?

Lends credence to the fact that from what I've been told Volcano will stand quiet for 2019, and there's already talks with multiple companies about a future project. My biggest concern is the entanglement between Volcano and the mountain itself. Engineers and contractors have to be very careful of how they treat this project if they want to retain the original mountain.
 
Well, this announcement made me come out of semi-retirement to make a comment.

Volcano will always be unique in the annals of coaster history. BUT, the problem with this ride has always been capacity and down-time.

When Volcano opened in '98, electro-magnetic launch technology was still in its infancy (FOF had just opened 2 years earlier in '96). Intamin choose LIM motors for this coaster. LIM Motors, it appears, are not good at handling exposure to moisture/weather. If you notice that new electro magnetic launched coasters today use LSM motors which seem to be hardier operating in the elements. Plus, the ride was under-powered the first season (remember 2 seat train cars instead of the 4 seats it was designed for).

Volcano was, and 20 years later, still is Intamin's prototype full-circuit, electro-magnetic launched, suspended coaster. So, anything from diagnosing issues to fabricating replacement parts took a long time. Hence, down times that were like an eternity.

Given that train capacity was just 16 and having an active ride area consisting of one "safety block", the trains were always stacked in the station area. The only way I could see potential capacity improvement was to have split load/unload areas where 2 trains could be loaded/unloaded at the same time.

But, it will be interesting to see what CF/KD does with that area. Does the mountain structure stay or does it get scrapped also? If it stays, does it get another coaster to replace Volcano or does the mountain get a multi-year refurb with a new set of dark rides / flat rides. AKA, the return of the "Lost World"?
 
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But, it will be interesting to see what CF/KD does with that area. Does the mountain structure stay or does it get scrapped also? If it stays, does it get another coaster to replace Volcano or does the mountain get a multi-year refurb with a new set of dark rides / flat rides. AKA, the return of the "Lost World"?

Replacing an iconic coaster with a few flats is a terrible idea that will anger many. It has to be a new coaster to live up to its predecessor.
 
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People keep mentioning this as being a large area for a replacement coaster. The mountain is crammed between two other rides like a sardine. Volcano has a tiny footprint that goes in a circle a couple times 150 feet in the air. I don’t think there is hardly room there for a conventional lift hill, let alone a decent coaster. I’m hoping they can leave the mountain, but the wrecking ball would have to have perfect aim. Farewell beloved Lost World.
I know where they can get a Superman Clone that will fit nicely...
 
Why must it be replaced by a coaster? Hypersonic wasn't replaced by a coaster, nor was Shockwave. In fact, I'd consider the replacement of both to be superior from several perspectives.

Cedar Fair has proven since its purchase of KD that they have a vision of Quality>Quantity. Volcano's removal puts the park at 11 roller coasters. While KD has been removing coasters, they have replaced each and everyone with something that has positively contributed in making KD a more well rounded park. In many aspects, KD is a much better park today than it was 12 years ago. Adding rides that have more longevity. They've made additions that can please the entire family. KD has spent tons of money on visualization of the park. What was once do considered a "trashy" park is now looked at as something far greater. It doesn't take a roller coaster to make a park better/succeed.

Safari Village is now the most outdated area of the park. (Old Virginia gets a pass ?) Volcano being removed gives Cedar Fair a chance in updating this borderline ugly Paramount abomination. Crypt is barely hanging on at this point, but once Crypt is gone, only a single flat ride will reside in Safari Village. That is a 1:5 flat ride to roller coaster ratio. I'm sure Safari Village will look far greater than it does in 2 years. The removal of Volcano means more than just a potential new ride, but also the chance of revitalization to an otherwise ugly section of the park.

Not relevent to this convo, but it wasn't too long ago that a certain park in Canada added a Dark ride/roller coaster combination built into an existing mountain.

Okay dude, this is a park icon we’re talking about, not Shockwave. It’s insulting to take out a beloved ride and put in a screen simulator in its place.

A B&M invert/flyer/whatnot would be a much more worthy addition and successor to it.
 
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Why must it be replaced by a coaster? Hypersonic wasn't replaced by a coaster, nor was Shockwave. In fact, I'd consider the replacement of both to be superior from several perspectives.

Cedar Fair has proven since its purchase of KD that they have a vision of Quality>Quantity. Volcano's removal puts the park at 11 roller coasters. While KD has been removing coasters, they have replaced each and every one with something that has positively contributed in making KD a more well rounded park. In many aspects, KD is a much better park today than it was 12 years ago. Adding rides that have more longevity. They've made additions that can please the entire family. KD has spent tons of money on visualization of the park. What was once do considered a "trashy" park is now looked at as something far greater. It doesn't take a roller coaster to make a park better/succeed.

Safari Village is now the most outdated area of the park. (Old Virginia gets a pass ?) Volcano being removed gives Cedar Fair a chance in updating this borderline ugly Paramount abomination. Crypt is barely hanging on at this point, but once Crypt is gone, only a single flat ride will reside in Safari Village. That is a 1:5 flat ride to roller coaster ratio. While it has been of a smaller scale, Cedar Fair has shown willingness to invest in Kings Dominion. The removal of Volcano means more than just a potential new ride, but also the chance of a needed revitalization to an otherwise ugly section of the park.

Removing any icon will result in anger amongst many. When Carowinds announced the removal of Thunder Road, madness pursued and still lingers around from time to time. Fury 325 was built that same year, yet Carowinds managed to maintain record attendance every year after replacing Thunder Road with a water park expansion! Just recent proof that a coaster does not have to be replaced by another coaster to in order for a park to remain successful.

Not relevant to this convo, but it wasn't too long ago that a certain park in Canada added a Dark ride/roller coaster combination built into an existing mountain.

EDIT: Added a Carowinds comparison.

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( @RollyCoaster is right that is)
 
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People keep mentioning this as being a large area for a replacement coaster. The mountain is crammed between two other rides like a sardine. Volcano has a tiny footprint that goes in a circle a couple times 150 feet in the air. I don’t think there is hardly room there for a conventional lift hill, let alone a decent coaster. I’m hoping they can leave the mountain, but the wrecking ball would have to have perfect aim. Farewell beloved Lost World.
The actual footprint of the Volcano is small but what it does is open up a ton of room behind it if the mountain goes down (Paramount wasn’t the smartest space conserver).
 
Why must it be replaced by a coaster? Hypersonic wasn't replaced by a coaster, nor was Shockwave. In fact, I'd consider the replacement of both to be superior from several perspectives.
Hypersonic I dont consider being replaced by anything, it was removed then later something built in the same area. Shockwave was removed for the new ride to be put in that location. As far as either being a superior replacement for me I disagree. I rode Shockwave just about every visit to the park, the Claw ride that replaced it I have never ridden and have zero interest to. The Skyflyer I also have zero interest in. Again just my opinion.
 
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