Tempesto

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Manufacturer - Premier Rides
Model - Sky Rocket II
Type - Steel Coaster
Height - 150 ft
Length - 863 ft
Top Speed - 62 mph
Elements - 3 (LSM Launch Track, Heartline Roll, Non-Inverting Loop)
Trains - 1 train, 2 across with 3 rows, 18 riders per train
Restraints - Lap Bar with a rubber seatbelt
Opened - April 25, 2015
Hamlet - Festa Italia

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Out of cuiriocity, those that don’t consider Tempesto a coaster, what is it that takes it out of consideration?
 
No one actually believes that it isn't a coaster by the textbook definition—people contend that it doesn't feel substantial enough to be in the same league as an "actual" coaster.

Whoever made the "hot dog is technically a sandwich but doesn't feel like it" point earlier was spot on.

PS: I believe Tempesto is a coaster—and it feels like a coaster to me—I just think people criticizing the perceptions of others over something this pointless is silly.
 
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The way is does the shuttle back and forth and then kinda just does two loops feels like a flat to me. Don’t get me wrong, it is a great flat. But is just doesn’t feel coaster-y to me.
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Would you consider the King Cobra a Roller Coaster?
 
Fair enough responses. Not quite the response I was expecting. The reason there is I had an 'argument' with another enthusiast who claimed Tempesto wasn't a coaster because it lacked a lift and free fall drop. I ended up asking him if the lack of a life mattered, so how did that impact Lightning Rod, Storm Runner, and other launched coasters. He said they were still coasters because of the drop, to which I responded about Tempesto's non-inverting loop is technically a drop.

To me, I have 3 simple rules to being a coaster:
1 - A launch, lift, or some type of power to a high point.
2 - A free fall drop
3 - A horizontal and vertical element to the course.

That means I don't count skywarps as a coaster, but Sky Rocket II's are coasters because of #2. #3 eliminates drop towers but keeps things like Superman at Magic Mountain. #1 eliminates terrain coasters from my definition as they are more like being in a bobsled to me.
 
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I see a true roller coaster as a vehicle that traverses a "random" track requiring an initial source of energy to be able to complete its circuit independently.

Skywarp fails this since it requires power the entire way around it's circuit, and never traverses independently. An argument can be made "well what about powered coasters" but I see those as a select few and therefore don't need to be compensated for within my definition, since everything is like a standard coaster they just slap a motor on it. Skywarps are nasty.

So by my definition, I have always considered Tempesto a coaster, and frankly never understood the argument against it.

I think it's worth considering that flat rides almost always utilize a form of uniform motion. Since Tempesto can be modeled as a point travelling a "random" course, it is not even close to uniform.

So I guess to rephrase my above statement, I can understand the argument that Tempesto is not a coaster better than I can understand the argument that Tempesto is a flat ride. If that makes sense.
 
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My line of definition is that the ride vehicle needs to be structurally independent of the ride (as in the vehicle does not fully occupy the track itself) and be able to articulate in more than 2 directions (in most cases up and down).

This covers a ride like a Skywarp since they are capable of articulation and their ride vehicles do not fully occupy the track itself (though they come damn close), along with the Schwarzkopf Katapults that were built in the 1980s. This also weeds out rides like the German Butterflies that are scattered around Central Europe, Larson Loopers, and Zamperla Disk'o Coasters. The latter two are stated to be "compact roller coasters" according to their manufacturers, but have not received general recognition in being roller coasters outside of the parks that have installed them. This line of definition also rules out Intamin Half-Pipes, which so far only one park refuses to recognize them as a roller coaster, and officially stated such during Eastcoaster 2019 when announcing their major coaster line-up. I am of course talking about Nickelodeon Universe at American Dream Meadowlands.
 
So, once again I am the one who first publicly called it a flat. I believe I told @Zachary and @Gavin that is was a fun flat, but a boring coaster. Since then I have (mostly tongue in cheek) called it a flat.

It fascinates me that despite my saying very clearly that (1) I know technically it is a coaster, and (2) I call it a flat because of how it FEELS, people continue to debate the issue at a technical level.

Y'all can feel free to argue over the esoteric (and probably somewhat random) rules, but none of that will change my position, because none of it is actually relevant to what I said. Additionally, I would question who has the authority to dictate what constitutes a coaster, anyway (but that is a completely separate debate).

I am not in any way saying that people shouldn't have this discussion, but I just want to clarify that I will continue to call it a flat, until it falls down, regardless of what rules people cite.
 
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"You know, I really like good pesto. The problem is that the Pasta Flat is not good pesto. "
-Julia Child
Eating Like a Persian Away from Paris
Chap. 6 Regional Amusement Parks
Pg. 246
 
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