I guess this ends the rumor about the brewery closing, since we know that thanos234 works there.
Something may be Brewing...
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I accidently removed my post when I was editing it. 
Here it is again. I work at the brewery. The brewery is not closing. When A.B. owned us our brewery ran 8.5 million barrels of beer a year. When Inbev took us over this brewery was cut to 6 million barrels of beer and rumors started to fly that we were closing. We even started to think we were closing but the 2nd year we ran 6.8 million barrels. Last year 7.3 million and this year we are slated for 8 million barrels. We are almost back to the AB days and we are gaining more volume everyday. Also, last year they worked out a deal with Newport News waterworks for a discount in water and the work a deal with Domion power for a discount in power. Inbev has begun shifting a lot of its volume out of Newark and we hear they maybe closing. We have picked up a lot of their volume. With us heading back to full capacity I don't see this plant any longer an option to shut down or be sold. And this is all 100% fact. Hope this helps clear this up.
Here it is again. I work at the brewery. The brewery is not closing. When A.B. owned us our brewery ran 8.5 million barrels of beer a year. When Inbev took us over this brewery was cut to 6 million barrels of beer and rumors started to fly that we were closing. We even started to think we were closing but the 2nd year we ran 6.8 million barrels. Last year 7.3 million and this year we are slated for 8 million barrels. We are almost back to the AB days and we are gaining more volume everyday. Also, last year they worked out a deal with Newport News waterworks for a discount in water and the work a deal with Domion power for a discount in power. Inbev has begun shifting a lot of its volume out of Newark and we hear they maybe closing. We have picked up a lot of their volume. With us heading back to full capacity I don't see this plant any longer an option to shut down or be sold. And this is all 100% fact. Hope this helps clear this up.
Just a random note about Sea World Cleveland and Geauga Lake in general.
Marine life parks can be successful in colder climates (look at Marineland for example) as long as there's a tourist draw. In SWC's case, they had GL next door. Both parks pretty much coexisted with each other without any problem.
When SF started expanding in the late 90s, they began pumping investment after investment into all their parks. This pretty much led to the reputation the chain had in the early-00s. GL was no exception because they tried to compete with CP. Adding too many coasters ultimately proved to be a problem for SF and the chain went into debt after they stopped expansion. Even though SF was still drawing millions of people, it was because they kept adding multiple coasters each year. Incorporating Sea World into the park probably gave SF a major boost in attendance as well.
CF stepped into the picture thinking they could turn GL around after SF decided to unload the park to pay off debts. Since CF didn't deal with animals (anymore), the former SW side was closed off and the focus shifted to the rides side. CF started removing rides over time and not replacing them. Unfortunately the park lost more profits under CF and they decided to focus more on the newly acquired Paramount Parks and convert GL into just Wildwater Kingdom.
My guess is SF had something to do with GL ultimately closing. The chain over-expanded GL when it was SFWOA and it hurt the park even more in the long run. If the parent company had been smarter and spread out the additions instead of trying to compete with CP, the park might still be here today. The chain could've also kept the Wildlife side as a second gate instead of expanding the ride side to incorporate two theme parks. SF seemed to do a better job with Discovery Kingdom, spreading out their major rides in the early 00s. Same with Wild Safari, using that as a second gate to Great Adventure.
Marine life parks can be successful in colder climates (look at Marineland for example) as long as there's a tourist draw. In SWC's case, they had GL next door. Both parks pretty much coexisted with each other without any problem.
When SF started expanding in the late 90s, they began pumping investment after investment into all their parks. This pretty much led to the reputation the chain had in the early-00s. GL was no exception because they tried to compete with CP. Adding too many coasters ultimately proved to be a problem for SF and the chain went into debt after they stopped expansion. Even though SF was still drawing millions of people, it was because they kept adding multiple coasters each year. Incorporating Sea World into the park probably gave SF a major boost in attendance as well.
CF stepped into the picture thinking they could turn GL around after SF decided to unload the park to pay off debts. Since CF didn't deal with animals (anymore), the former SW side was closed off and the focus shifted to the rides side. CF started removing rides over time and not replacing them. Unfortunately the park lost more profits under CF and they decided to focus more on the newly acquired Paramount Parks and convert GL into just Wildwater Kingdom.
My guess is SF had something to do with GL ultimately closing. The chain over-expanded GL when it was SFWOA and it hurt the park even more in the long run. If the parent company had been smarter and spread out the additions instead of trying to compete with CP, the park might still be here today. The chain could've also kept the Wildlife side as a second gate instead of expanding the ride side to incorporate two theme parks. SF seemed to do a better job with Discovery Kingdom, spreading out their major rides in the early 00s. Same with Wild Safari, using that as a second gate to Great Adventure.
Finally a levelheaded answer. Thank you, good sir.thanos234 said:I accidently removed my post when I was editing it.
I know this was previously discussed about Virginia's theme park industry being an untapped source that Blackstone seeks to rule, however I just found out the first Disney park was originally planned to be built in Prince George County, Virginia. This leads me to think that if Disney was going to build a park in Virginia, that means to me that Virginia could be something Blackstone seriously is thinking about turning into a tourist destination.
Also, the reason for Disney not being built in Prince George was because the country rejected their plans. So they decided to build elsewhere.
Also, the reason for Disney not being built in Prince George was because the country rejected their plans. So they decided to build elsewhere.
Party Rocker said:
Actually they just dropped it all together, as they where also having issues with Disneyland Paris.
Disney planned to build a theme park in Northern Virginia, but ran into serious issues with NIMBY neighbors. Disney is considering a potential resort hotel on the Potomac (similar to their new Hawaiian resort). Not sure how far that's gone though.
The Marriott Corporation also faced similar problems with getting a third Great America park off the ground in the 70s.
The Marriott Corporation also faced similar problems with getting a third Great America park off the ground in the 70s.
Oh okay, but still the fact that Virginia has been seriously considered for other parks does mean that it could become a major tourist state if Blackstone and other park companies invest enough.
^ VA is already a big draw for tourists. There's the Blue Ridge Mountains, museums, beaches, DC/Richmond/Hampton Roads, Civil War and Revolutionary War battlefields, Massanutten/Wintergreen, and BGW/KD. The real question should be "Are VA residents really willing to embrace another theme park?" Both Disney's America and Great America East were shot down because the residents didn't want to deal with another theme park. The most recent major park development was a new indoor waterpark resort that was supposed to go into Fredericksburg, but that didn't work out as well as planned.
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Well still, I meant for the amusement park industry, not the tourist industry. Closely related, but somewhat different. I think that Virginia is on its way to getting a few new parks. It seems to be a great place, along the coast, in between New York and Florida. However, I really do think Blackstone is going to try to take over the theme park business in Virginia.
EDIT: Actually my Business teacher told me specifically, Prince George was the first location that Disney wanted to build a park at before any other park was built when they first were planning out their theme park plans.
EDIT: Actually my Business teacher told me specifically, Prince George was the first location that Disney wanted to build a park at before any other park was built when they first were planning out their theme park plans.
VA's still got plenty of neighbors that don't want to deal with the extra traffic/noise that comes with a park.
On top of that, there really isn't much to dominate in this market outside of BGW/KD in VA, SFA, Hersheypark, and Great Adventure - going deeper, KD and SFA are really the only parks that share the same market (although KD seems to attract more people from Richmond).
Lastly,the economy isn't right for building new parks. Tons of new parks have been proposed and canceled because of money. Yes I do know Blackstone is a multi-billion dollar corporation, but still... Outside of purchasing the old Cypress Gardens, the only place Blackstone has reached out to for new parks is Asia, and those parks are backed by the Universal and Legoland brands.
On top of that, there really isn't much to dominate in this market outside of BGW/KD in VA, SFA, Hersheypark, and Great Adventure - going deeper, KD and SFA are really the only parks that share the same market (although KD seems to attract more people from Richmond).
Lastly,the economy isn't right for building new parks. Tons of new parks have been proposed and canceled because of money. Yes I do know Blackstone is a multi-billion dollar corporation, but still... Outside of purchasing the old Cypress Gardens, the only place Blackstone has reached out to for new parks is Asia, and those parks are backed by the Universal and Legoland brands.
I can definitely vouch for the lack of funding. Virginia Beach citizens, who live in the number one tourist trap of the entire Commonwealth, just shot down a massive hotel development next to the Convention Center. As of right now, that Convention Center makes its money off of graduations. Wait a few more years. It's not that the recession isn't over. It's that people, especially in the 757, which has the greatest frequency of tourist related attractions in the state, don't trust tourism mainly because its seasonal. In all honesty, the best thing to happen to the 757 tourism wise was the opening of Christmas Town. People finally realized we could have a full year tourism schedule. We always had it with Colonial Williamsburg, but CTown shored everything up for the region. In addition I know for a fact that VBeach is looking into full year attractions, but until they are fully established and trusted, we aren't going to trust any risk takers.
As much as I love my hometown, my friends and I have always known its a great place to live during Spring and Summer....Fall is okay, but Winter is just dead.
As much as I love my hometown, my friends and I have always known its a great place to live during Spring and Summer....Fall is okay, but Winter is just dead.
Still, it may not be the right time for new parks, but Blackstone being an investment company will look into making the park more attractive, whether adding a Sea World or just park expansions, they will be upgrading BGW and changing the area. Maybe not within the next five years but later on, the area will probably be ready for a new park. Depending on the economy and such.
netdvn said:
Six Flags actually owned Geauga Lake since the mid 90s and had always planned to turn it into a destination similar to Cedar Point. As Six Flags Ohio, they were putting in over 2 million visitors a year but they really wanted to surpass Cedar Point's 3 million. After buying SeaWorld - and I wish they wouldn't have - they finally had the means in doing so and they had BIG PLANS. First up, they bought the neighboring hotel and setup their own shuttle service. From what I've been told, they planned on making it into a park similar to Busch Gardens Tampa. They were going to expand the monorail to go all around the park, add The Golden Kingdom (before recycling plans at Great Adventure) and they had some dark rides planned. Unfortunately, all those plans were put on hold as the main company's debt was becoming insurmountable. It didn't help that Six Flags Worlds of Adventure barely increased in attendance over it's year as Six Flags Ohio (when it was only half the size).
After hearing rumors of bankruptcy at Six Flags and having attendance problems of their own with Cedar Point since Six Flags Ohio opened, Cedar Fair was one of the first to make an offer (I wish Busch would've made an offer, as all the SeaWorld infrastructure was still intact and they would've picked up both parks for cheap). Cedar Fair picked up the park for just a fraction of what Six Flags paid for it and immediately put into motion plans to disassemble the park. I worked there, I know. They already knew that they wanted to shut it down and just leave a small water park as to not make it all look suspicious. Each year since opening, they were removing rides and sending them to their other parks without adding anything new. They just wanted to recycle as many of the rides as possible at other parks to make back their investment and then just pluck what had been a thorn in their side all together.
In the end, Six Flags wasn't the problem (they wanted it to succeed), it was Cedar Fair (they didn't). The whole thing is tragic. If Six Flags had been a little less ambitious, then we'd have still have both parks and they'd both be pulling in over 2 million visitors each. A decade ago, when those parks were at their peak, I never would've imagined that we'd one day have a giant junkyard surrounding that lake. There was just soo much excitement in the air and both parks were PACKED, just never saw it coming.
When Premier first bought GL, they didn't really add too many additions. Major additions were spaced apart with breaks in between.
It really wasn't until Premier flagged the park into Six Flags Ohio and began expanding too quickly that started the downfall. SF pumped in too much money in an attempt at competing with CP and while the crowds did come in droves, once the additions dropped off, attendance went with it. Not even Great America and Magic Mountain increase in size that quickly in the early 2000s. Great Adventure came close with their War on Lines, but they didn't receive much of anything after that until Nitro and Superman.
SF may have had ambitious plans for the future, but SF had the same ambitious (and flawed) plans to compete with CP when they clearly didn't need to. Both parks pretty much coexisted together for decades (even driving out smaller parks in the area).
Even though both Sea World and GL coexisted before, this rapid expansion drove people toward the rides and away from the animals. BEC, being the company that they are, quickly pulled out and SF bought up
the animal side. Since Busch wasn't into parks that were ride-centric (Boardwalk & Baseball), they couldn't have purchased SFWOA when SF put it up for sale.
Now that's not to say CF wasn't at fault either. CF had just as much to do with GL closing as SF did, except instead of pumping money into the park for new rides/attractions, CF closed up the animal park and began shipping rides out without replacements.
- I'm sure SF wanted Astroworld to succeed too. It's too bad Astrworld and Geauga Lake are gone now.
- This is also why I have second thoughts about BGW adding too many dark rides and a resort to make it into a "full year" park.
It really wasn't until Premier flagged the park into Six Flags Ohio and began expanding too quickly that started the downfall. SF pumped in too much money in an attempt at competing with CP and while the crowds did come in droves, once the additions dropped off, attendance went with it. Not even Great America and Magic Mountain increase in size that quickly in the early 2000s. Great Adventure came close with their War on Lines, but they didn't receive much of anything after that until Nitro and Superman.
SF may have had ambitious plans for the future, but SF had the same ambitious (and flawed) plans to compete with CP when they clearly didn't need to. Both parks pretty much coexisted together for decades (even driving out smaller parks in the area).
Even though both Sea World and GL coexisted before, this rapid expansion drove people toward the rides and away from the animals. BEC, being the company that they are, quickly pulled out and SF bought up
the animal side. Since Busch wasn't into parks that were ride-centric (Boardwalk & Baseball), they couldn't have purchased SFWOA when SF put it up for sale.
Now that's not to say CF wasn't at fault either. CF had just as much to do with GL closing as SF did, except instead of pumping money into the park for new rides/attractions, CF closed up the animal park and began shipping rides out without replacements.
- I'm sure SF wanted Astroworld to succeed too. It's too bad Astrworld and Geauga Lake are gone now.
- This is also why I have second thoughts about BGW adding too many dark rides and a resort to make it into a "full year" park.
netdvn said:
Actually, Premier immediately began expanding the park non-stop up to the Six Flags rebranding. There was something new every year and they were excellent at theming (the park entrance, the 50s area, Serial Thriller).
netdvn said:
I don't know about it being a year round park but you can never have too many darkrides