News Project 2027/Skyland/Purple: Bakunawa (Mack Giga Shuttle Xtreme Spinner)

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desardes said:
The brake run issue isn't much different than the current rides; Toro, Medusa, Nitro, if there's a dispatch issue the train waiting outside the station is sitting in the elements
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not only is it much more likely that there'll be some sort of delay on the prototype switch track slopfest by increasingly-notoriously-not-perfekt Mack Rides, I'd also argue there's pretty much no reason to defend Six Flags' cheaping out on basic customer comforts/necessities. It's not like they're making up for it with the ride hardware or immersive theming
 
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northdetective said:
not only is it much more likely that there'll be some sort of delay on the prototype switch track slopfest by increasingly-notoriously-not-perfekt Mack Rides, I'd also argue there's pretty much no reason to defend Six Flags' cheaping out on basic customer comforts/necessities. It's not like they're making up for it with the ride hardware or immersive theming
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There’s Something I just can’t get out of my head…
Another park down the road is going to do something similar to Bak and they’re going to improve on every shortcoming present in this model.
Like adding a Turn table or a switch track for the seperate launch and return track or a full circuit. And it’ll be hysterical when they do because it’ll show just how short they went with this model
 
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Clear said:
There’s Something I just can’t get out of my head…
Another park down the road is going to do something similar to Bak and they’re going to improve on every shortcoming present in this model.
Like adding a Turn table or a switch track for the seperate launch and return track or a full circuit. And it’ll be hysterical when they do because it’ll show just how short they went with this model
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Wait what?
 
Clear said:
There’s Something I just can’t get out of my head…
Another park down the road is going to do something similar to Bak and they’re going to improve on every shortcoming present in this model.
Like adding a Turn table or a switch track for the seperate launch and return track or a full circuit. And it’ll be hysterical when they do because it’ll show just how short they went with this model
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I don't really see why this is a criticism. Rides like this are built to be show pieces for the model and are basically designed to be improved or modified on.

Its no different from Texas Giant vs Wildcat's Revenge. Wildcat takes all the shortcomings from Giant and the decade of improvement between them to provide a drastically different and more aggressive ride even though they're built by the same company.

If comapnies didn't do that, we'd have stagnation. Plus we can never have enough Extreme Spinners in the world. Both of them are in my top 20 out of 400+ coasters I've ridden. That's a really damn good track record.
 
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netdvn said:
Rides like this are built to be show pieces for the model
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In what way?

netdvn said:
we can never have enough Extreme Spinners in the world. Both of them are in my top 20 out of 400+ coasters I've ridden. That's a really damn good track record.
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How is the two-element shuttle an improvement on RtH or Time Twister? I really think the novelty of a layout this simple will wear off before it can get cloned. Kingda Ka and TTD could only coexist bc of the competitive environment of the coaster wars. I cannot imagine anyone would be thinking the way to "one-up" Bakunawa is to extend the layout/complete the circuit instead of commissioning something different and appreciable beyond the gimmick itself (which we know Mack is capable of producing but instead they submit value-engineered trash as Six Flags bids)
 
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In what way?



How is the two-element shuttle an improvement on RtH or Time Twister? I really think the novelty of a layout this simple will wear off before it can get cloned. Kingda Ka and TTD could only coexist bc of the competitive environment of the coaster wars. I cannot imagine anyone would be thinking the way to "one-up" Bakunawa is to extend the layout/complete the circuit instead of commissioning something different and appreciable beyond the gimmick itself (which we know Mack is capable of producing but instead they submit value-engineered trash as Six Flags bids)
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The ride is big and it has a cool gimmick. Its designed to draw attention. That's why its placed the way it is in the park. Its a show piece to say that Mack Rides is capable of pushing their spinners to 300 feet if a park was willing to pony up the money for it.

Its no different from Kingda Ka, which was designed to break records and nothing more.

And while I don't expect Bakunawa to be better than RTH or Time Traveler myself, that 300 ft drop facing backwards will definitely be one of the best drops in the world and hitting that stall in a different position will be pretty incredible
 
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Clear said:
There’s Something I just can’t get out of my head…
Another park down the road is going to do something similar to Bak and they’re going to improve on every shortcoming present in this model.
Like adding a Turn table or a switch track for the seperate launch and return track or a full circuit. And it’ll be hysterical when they do because it’ll show just how short they went with this model
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My question is who the hell you think is going to build another one of these things. Six Flags building another one in the chain could happen but it seems to go against everything they said they're going for with individuality in the parks and unique experiences. None of the Herschend parks are going to make anything like this. I supposed United Parks could build one but Mack isn't really one of their preferred manufacturers. God knows what Enchanted Parks has in mind but I doubt they have the capital to build this. Universal wouldn't build this tall plus they're going with Intamin for the drift coaster. When it comes to independent parks Hershey is immediately out because of the laws that park has regarding height that really prevents them building coasters that are taller than hypers, and I don't think there's another park out there with the funds to build one in the US.

The only park out there I could see getting one is Magic Mountain. It would annoy the hell outta me because it would just feel like a slap in the face, but I don't think they'll get one. I could see a standard full circuit spinner going in say.....X2's plot, if that ride really is done, but outside of that I just don't see it. At least in the U.S. I don't think we'll see another one.
 
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Tbf i wouldn't nessisairly be SUPRISED if Hershey did some storm runner type move and somehow made a smaller version with a fuller layout, which wouldn't TECHNICALLY be the same ride but very much in vein. I'm not sure how that would look, but it also wouldn't be for me to decide lol. If they really wanted to spite gadv have their social media interns gloat about how they add full roofs to their queues or how they have both this ride AND stormrunner lol

Regardless, and maybe this comparison isnt well timed, but if there are more baks, it would make bak more like the park's x2 (if not way more gimmicky lol) than anything. Both are deeply flawed (bak more in design limitations, x2 in the- well you know) first of their kind rides that were built to disorient the riders and shock the locals, and would be the first step to making, say, an eejanaika equivalent (not that bak would nessisairly be on par with eejanaika but my point stands lol). You needed x2 to get eejanaika, and though I don't think we'll see another bak anytime soon, I dont see anything wrong with a park improving upon bak in whatever way that is.
 
netdvn said:
The ride is big and it has a cool gimmick. Its designed to draw attention. That's why its placed the way it is in the park. Its a show piece to say that Mack Rides is capable of pushing their spinners to 300 feet if a park was willing to pony up the money for it.

Its no different from Kingda Ka, which was designed to break records and nothing more.

And while I don't expect Bakunawa to be better than RTH or Time Traveler myself, that 300 ft drop facing backwards will definitely be one of the best drops in the world and hitting that stall in a different position will be pretty incredible
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I find it hard to believe the desired reaction among guests will be "Wow, Mack Rides is capable of pushing their spinners to 300 feet if a park was willing to pony up the money for it." Even if it were, that would just be a repeat of the ultimately unsustainable "Wow, Intamin is capable of pushing their accelerator coasters to be the tallest coasters on earth because Great Adventure was capable of paying for it" marketing angle, which was more convincing anyways as it held records without 4 categorical stipulations. (I don't think the average guest knows that anybody but God himself created the rolly coasters but that's besides the point)

Nitro230 said:
I could see a standard full circuit spinner going in say.....X2's plot, if that ride really is done, but outside of that I just don't see it. At least in the U.S. I don't think we'll see another one.
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I could see a standard full circuit extreme spinner at a lot of places beyond SFMM personally, they are great rides. I would love one for Kings Island for example in the Vortex plot, but unfortunately, Mack pitched them slop spire before it was shat upon us, so idk if they'd be lucky enough to get something full-circuit either
 
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northdetective said:
I find it hard to believe the desired reaction among guests will be "Wow, Mack Rides is capable of pushing their spinners to 300 feet if a park was willing to pony up the money for it." Even if it were, that would just be a repeat of the ultimately unsustainable "Wow, Intamin is capable of pushing their accelerator coasters to be the tallest coasters on earth because Great Adventure was capable of paying for it" marketing angle, which was more convincing anyways as it held records without 4 categorical stipulations. (I don't think the average guest knows that anybody but God himself created the rolly coasters but that's besides the point)
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The problem with the accelerator coasters was that they're extremely unreliable. Way more unreliable than anything Mack puts out. They can be amazing coasters, but when they're down extended for long periods of time, parks aren't more inclined to buy them. That's why even though Intamin is capable of pushing coasters to 400-500-600 feet, you're probably gonna see more parks buy Blue Fire clones before they buy KK clones.

I've never experienced extended downtime at any of the Extreme Spinners I've ridden. I have been to Knott's, Hersheypark and GAdv and seen their Intamin accelerators closed all day for maintenance reasons before. None of the Mack launchers I've ridden have had similar issues, and I've ridden a good chunk of them here and in Europe.

That's not to say Bakunawa won't have teething issues. Every coaster does in its first few seasons, but come 15-20 years from now, I'd expect it to have really good uptime compared to KK

TLDR you can have a massive record breaking coaster, but when it's closed for 25% of it's entire lifespan due to maintenance issues, I think more parks are gonna opt for the coaster that's got 99% uptime.

Also KK had a pretty uninspired slop layout too. Unless you think tacking 20 feet on top of TTD and adding a camelback at the end is really that inspiring.
 
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northdetective said:
I could see a standard full circuit extreme spinner at a lot of places beyond SFMM personally, they are great rides. I would love one for Kings Island for example in the Vortex plot, but unfortunately, Mack pitched them slop spire before it was shat upon us, so idk if they'd be lucky enough to get something full-circuit either
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Oh 100% I just brought up MM specifically because that's the one park that I could see possibly receiving something like Baku even though I think it's EXTREMELY unlikely. Looking at the company's preferred manufacturer's (Mack, B&M, Vekoma) the Xtreme Spinner is clearly the standout ride model on offer, I really hope that they decide to heavily invest in the model and we see them start to pop up across the chain.
 
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I'm sure the ride will be great, one-of-a-kind, etc but..the supports for the spike aren't all that visually appealing. Maybe its just me, all I see is the supports. Guess its a good thing the track is bright purple. Would have been cool if the engineers had found a way to have a twisting support system for the spire to add to the visual impact of the ride
 
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Zachary said:
Aesthetically, Bakunawa's structure looks downright evil to me. I think that's very fitting?

And if the best complaint that exists is that a roller coaster's supports don't look good enough, SFGAdv has a real winner on their hands.
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*best complaint that exists SO FAR. Although I've seen others on here that are also valid. Just glad BGW decided to forgo the concept...would've been a huge eye sore. That being said i'm still open to making the trip to experience this.
 
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Also KK had a pretty uninspired slop layout too. Unless you think tacking 20 feet on top of TTD and adding a camelback at the end is really that inspiring.
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I don't understand thinking this is a "gotcha" at this point. I've said this over and over again. They're making the same substance-free gimmicky slop mistakes while pretending less is more, again, and yet somehow people think I'm responsible for defending Kingda Ka and its substance-free gimmicky slop mistakes
 
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