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If everyone is free to force their disingenuous excitement down my throat because they're excited for what they see as the future of the park, I should be free to express my disappointment for what I see as the future of the park.
I don’t think anyone here is shoving anything down your throat - I think you’re seeking out conflicting opinions for attention. Sorry not sorry. If you want to bring something constructive critically, fine, but this just feels like rage bait. And judging on comments above, it seems like this is your goal
 
I know this guy is a new user here but just so you are all aware he is all over the six flags and rollercoaster subreddits basically saying these same things over and over again. I understand the disdain towards the park with how things are handled but as others have said the negativity is disingenuous when you try to act like this addition is not a major investment aimed at bringing the park back to try and re establish as a top park in the region.
Yep, I already blocked the account on reddit last week, now it is set to ignore on here.

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My sorta out of touch take is that this coaster could potentially be Toro level if it’s done properly. At minimum I think it’d be one of the best coasters in the chain period
I fully expect to be as much of a fan of it as I was of Toro in its prime, if not more. I’m thrilled that it’s finally getting an Intamin retrack, but it’s also about 35 spots lower in my rankings than it could be and I’m looking forward to reevaluating that once it’s gotten the TLC it’s so desperately needed for so long.

It’s also been kinda swept under the rug that this would be the first strata built SINCE Ka. There’s only one park in the world batshit crazy enough to build two stratas and it was built by a man who was batshit crazy, yet a visionary, himself.
I know this guy is a new user here but just so you are all aware he is all over the six flags and rollercoaster subreddits basically saying these same things over and over again.
Oh I know lol. He hasn’t quite gone off the rails here the way he has there, but I figure it’s only a matter of time.
Every positive move in the right direction is a little closer to actually pulling it off though which is why so many of us are excited about what seems like it should be a strong first step in that direction.
Even when the sting of losing Ka was fresh, with it having been the coaster I’ve been on the most without question, I’ve been very enthusiastic about the prospect of reinventing such a massive portion of the park. Golden Kingdom never quite worked out as planned and moving past it is almost certainly the right option.

Having left NJ and my home parks since being KI and Carowinds has made me more aware of the park’s issues. In no world should a 456ft tall coaster consistently be a station wait or walk on, and for one as expensive to run as Ka was to be in that situation, it’s no wonder it was one of the first casualties of the merger. I would be absolutely baffled to see any evidence that it brought in enough guests to justify almost certainly being the most expensive ride in the chain to operate.
 
I think Superman ends up either getting rethemed or removed, and if it ends up being removed, I could see something decent going in that plot w/ the unused GL plot.
I feel like the rumors are louder about Medusa going soon, no? I think they turn GL’s plot into more parking and use Medusa’s plot towards a new ride
 
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No. But Frank from Englishtown is probably gonna be really interested in this crazy new coaster everyone is talking about in 2027 and, if Six Flags has done their job right, by then the park will be a much better experience overall than it has been in recent memory too.
"Being a better experience than recent memory" involves so little in terms of programmatic consumer experiences it's almost laughable.
I don’t think anyone here is shoving anything down your throat - I think you’re seeking out conflicting opinions for attention. Sorry not sorry. If you want to bring something constructive critically, fine, but this just feels like rage bait. And judging on comments above, it seems like this is your goal
Well it seems everyone suddenly has a lot to say when I say Great Adventure is in an embarrassing state. I think the enthusiasm says a lot. If I offered what I perceived to be constructive criticism it'd be misconstrued as a thoosie crayon.
Oh I know lol. He hasn’t quite gone off the rails here the way he has there, but I figure it’s only a matter of time.
"Off the rails" is a cute pun. My thoughts are no different 😇
I think Superman ends up either getting rethemed or removed, and if it ends up being removed, I could see something decent going in that plot w/ the unused GL plot.
When the hopeful future is "I could see something decent going in that plot w/ the unused GL plot" I really think we've reached peak copium
 
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"Being a better experience than recent memory" involves so little in terms of programmatic consumer experiences it's almost laughable.

Well it seems everyone suddenly has a lot to say when I say Great Adventure is in an embarrassing state. I think the enthusiasm says a lot.

"Off the rails" is a cute pun. My thoughts are no different 😇

When the hopeful future is "I could see something decent going in that plot w/ the unused GL plot" I really think we've reached peak copium
Do you think anyone here thinks Great Adventure is some kind of elite park right now? We’re here talking about a ride and the improvements going around it to help make the park better. You’re pretty miserable, I suggest therapy. It helps, I promise
 
I feel like the rumors are louder about Medusa going soon, no? I think they turn GL’s plot into more parking and use Medusa’s plot towards a new ride
I think that area needs some love before they put another coaster in that tucked away plot. My longest wait for Medusa was halfway up the stairs to the station.

If it uses the arena’s plot as well and the station is in that area rather than where Medusa’s is, I could see it doing much better in terms of ridership. Runaway Mine Train, Saw Mill Log Flume, and the Skyride all have/had some solid popularity and I really think most of the GP just doesn’t wander back into that corner and go “oh shit there’s a coaster here?” Granted, I have no idea how it did last season with it being pushed up in the lineup’s relevance.
 
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Look at all the records 1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Son of Beast will never close, it so much money.

Look at all the investment !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Geauga Lake will never close, SO much money
Son of Beast was also a wooden coaster, which are cheaper up front and cost more to maintain in the long run. Combine that with it being built by RCCA who used subpar building materials and the accidents it had occur, of course it closed.

Geauga Lake closed after cedar fair bought them out. If it had stayed out of CF ownership, and stayed with SF or gone to SEAS, maybe it would still be around. At the time, it was bought, and they closed it because they didn’t want it to compete with Cedar Point. It was also in an area that really shouldn’t have been home to a park of that size, anyways.
If everyone is free to force their disingenuous excitement down my throat because they're excited for what they see as the future of the park, I should be free to express my disappointment for what I see as the future of the park.
I think the issue we’re running into here is that it’s how you’re saying it, not what you’re saying. If you take a look at the Pantheon thread, you’ll see we all were very vocal about that attraction when it didn’t meet the usual standards of a BGW attraction. But you seem to be receiving our critiques/comments as disrespectful or demeaning, and not us trying to find a middle ground or a way to agree with you in some capacity. We are on a forum, so there will naturally be debates, but this is currently rather one sided. @Zachary has tried several times to level with and reason with you, but you have doubled and even tripled down on your statements, and have not even acknowledged that the points being brought up are in fact valid and real, whereas @Zachary has done that.
Fixing parks is a HARD task. It takes many, MANY years. Every positive move in the right direction is a little closer to actually pulling it off though which is why so many of us are excited about what seems like it should be a strong first step in that direction.
Honestly, Kings Dominion and Kentucky Kingdom are phenomenal examples of this. KK a little less so because it’s newer but I’ll explain why in a moment.

KD has actively showed us they want to correct their image from the 90s and early 2000s that is still prominent in some people’s minds as the unsafe park with gang and drug activity. They’ve show us they don’t want to be known as that, but it takes a long time to change that. It started around when Twisted Timbers was built—expanding Planet Snoopy + Twisted Timbers/CAG refresh. Since then, weve seen more expansions to Planet Snoopy, Soak City, the addition of Jungle Xpedition, new restaurants, food offerings, entertainment offerings, and plenty more on the horizon. This hasn’t happened overnight.

KK is starting this process with their new additions from 2025, and this year with Flying Fox and their refreshes. This process takes time.

This same logic applies to GAdv. Especially for how long they’ve been on a decline, I could easily see this taking 10+ years to achieve what KD has done. The GAdv Spinner, in my eyes, is certainly going to be worth the wait, but also it’s not going to be the only thing and is going to be the start of a new era for this park. The park has also already had some very bad times—Great American Scream Machine led their resurgence last time, and this case, “Phantom Spire” will lead this one. I can understand a lot of people being upset about Ka and the other attractions, but let’s be so for real—Lantern wasn’t popular, neither was Twister. Skyride had hella downtime, Parachuter’s Perch hadn’t operated in years, Zumanjaro might as well have been in its own zip code with how far it was from everything, plus had hella downtime, and Ka? Expensive as hell to operate and fairly problematic. I understand being upset, but I can understand why it happened and can look forward to what’s coming in the future.
 
Son of Beast was also a wooden coaster, which are cheaper up front and cost more to maintain in the long run. Combine that with it being built by RCCA who used subpar building materials and the accidents it had occur, of course it closed.

Geauga Lake closed after cedar fair bought them out. If it had stayed out of CF ownership, and stayed with SF or gone to SEAS, maybe it would still be around. At the time, it was bought, and they closed it because they didn’t want it to compete with Cedar Point. It was also in an area that really shouldn’t have been home to a park of that size, anyways.

I think the issue we’re running into here is that it’s how you’re saying it, not what you’re saying. If you take a look at the Pantheon thread, you’ll see we all were very vocal about that attraction when it didn’t meet the usual standards of a BGW attraction. But you seem to be receiving our critiques/comments as disrespectful or demeaning, and not us trying to find a middle ground or a way to agree with you in some capacity. We are on a forum, so there will naturally be debates, but this is currently rather one sided. @Zachary has tried several times to level with and reason with you, but you have doubled and even tripled down on your statements, and have not even acknowledged that the points being brought up are in fact valid and real, whereas @Zachary has done that.

Honestly, Kings Dominion and Kentucky Kingdom are phenomenal examples of this. KK a little less so because it’s newer but I’ll explain why in a moment.

KD has actively showed us they want to correct their image from the 90s and early 2000s that is still prominent in some people’s minds as the unsafe park with gang and drug activity. They’ve show us they don’t want to be known as that, but it takes a long time to change that. It started around when Twisted Timbers was built—expanding Planet Snoopy + Twisted Timbers/CAG refresh. Since then, weve seen more expansions to Planet Snoopy, Soak City, the addition of Jungle Xpedition, new restaurants, food offerings, entertainment offerings, and plenty more on the horizon. This hasn’t happened overnight.

KK is starting this process with their new additions from 2025, and this year with Flying Fox and their refreshes. This process takes time.

This same logic applies to GAdv. Especially for how long they’ve been on a decline, I could easily see this taking 10+ years to achieve what KD has done. The GAdv Spinner, in my eyes, is certainly going to be worth the wait, but also it’s not going to be the only thing and is going to be the start of a new era for this park. The park has also already had some very bad times—Great American Scream Machine led their resurgence last time, and this case, “Phantom Spire” will lead this one. I can understand a lot of people being upset about Ka and the other attractions, but let’s be so for real—Lantern wasn’t popular, neither was Twister. Skyride had hella downtime, Parachuter’s Perch hadn’t operated in years, Zumanjaro might as well have been in its own zip code with how far it was from everything, plus had hella downtime, and Ka? Expensive as hell to operate and fairly problematic. I understand being upset, but I can understand why it happened and can look forward to what’s coming in the future.
To add to your point, Jungle X is the kind of refurbishment and refresh I’d love for the Boardwalk + Golden Kingdom for GAdv. To me, out of the parks I’ve visited, that’s the most realistic and most desired theming style for me as a frequent SFGAdv homepark goer.
 
Great American Scream Machine led their resurgence last time, and this case, “Phantom Spire” will lead this one.
It also brought it out of a state immeasurably worse than the park is currently in. Clearly there’s some bias given my username, but it’s arguably the most important coaster to ever be built at Great Adventure.
Lantern wasn’t popular, neither was Twister. Skyride had hella downtime, Parachuter’s Perch hadn’t operated in years, Zumanjaro might as well have been in its own zip code with how far it was from everything, plus had hella downtime, and Ka? Expensive as hell to operate and fairly problematic.
To add to this, Cyborg was an interesting looking lawn ornament that probably spent far more time broken down or SBNO than operating, and DDD was as hideous as all skycoasters are, as well as unpopular and something that likely required more in depth training for staff than really any other ride in the park.
 
Do you think anyone here thinks Great Adventure is some kind of elite park right now? We’re here talking about a ride and the improvements going around it to help make the park better. You’re pretty miserable, I suggest therapy. It helps, I promise
Look at all the cope in the few responses since. Absolutely yes, they'll say anything ElToroRyan tells them to. Ron Toomer is designing the Great Adventure 2028 Giga.
Son of Beast was also a wooden coaster, which are cheaper up front and cost more to maintain in the long run. Combine that with it being built by RCCA who used subpar building materials and the accidents it had occur, of course it closed.

Geauga Lake closed after cedar fair bought them out. If it had stayed out of CF ownership, and stayed with SF or gone to SEAS, maybe it would still be around. At the time, it was bought, and they closed it because they didn’t want it to compete with Cedar Point. It was also in an area that really shouldn’t have been home to a park of that size, anyways.

I think the issue we’re running into here is that it’s how you’re saying it, not what you’re saying. If you take a look at the Pantheon thread, you’ll see we all were very vocal about that attraction when it didn’t meet the usual standards of a BGW attraction. But you seem to be receiving our critiques/comments as disrespectful or demeaning, and not us trying to find a middle ground or a way to agree with you in some capacity. We are on a forum, so there will naturally be debates, but this is currently rather one sided. @Zachary has tried several times to level with and reason with you, but you have doubled and even tripled down on your statements, and have not even acknowledged that the points being brought up are in fact valid and real, whereas @Zachary has done that.

Honestly, Kings Dominion and Kentucky Kingdom are phenomenal examples of this. KK a little less so because it’s newer but I’ll explain why in a moment.

KD has actively showed us they want to correct their image from the 90s and early 2000s that is still prominent in some people’s minds as the unsafe park with gang and drug activity. They’ve show us they don’t want to be known as that, but it takes a long time to change that. It started around when Twisted Timbers was built—expanding Planet Snoopy + Twisted Timbers/CAG refresh. Since then, weve seen more expansions to Planet Snoopy, Soak City, the addition of Jungle Xpedition, new restaurants, food offerings, entertainment offerings, and plenty more on the horizon. This hasn’t happened overnight.

KK is starting this process with their new additions from 2025, and this year with Flying Fox and their refreshes. This process takes time.

This same logic applies to GAdv. Especially for how long they’ve been on a decline, I could easily see this taking 10+ years to achieve what KD has done. The GAdv Spinner, in my eyes, is certainly going to be worth the wait, but also it’s not going to be the only thing and is going to be the start of a new era for this park. The park has also already had some very bad times—Great American Scream Machine led their resurgence last time, and this case, “Phantom Spire” will lead this one. I can understand a lot of people being upset about Ka and the other attractions, but let’s be so for real—Lantern wasn’t popular, neither was Twister. Skyride had hella downtime, Parachuter’s Perch hadn’t operated in years, Zumanjaro might as well have been in its own zip code with how far it was from everything, plus had hella downtime, and Ka? Expensive as hell to operate and fairly problematic. I understand being upset, but I can understand why it happened and can look forward to what’s coming in the future.
like, No <3 If you wanna "let’s be so for real" me (a great example of the kind of demeaning language I've been met with), there is simply no world in which Six Flags could not have afforded to maintain said attractions in their primes. It was a series of choices that deprioritized the consumer experience in favor of shareholder profit. That's what the company does now, and I do not understand how recognizing that is MORE upsetting than recognizing that going to one of their legacy SIx Flags properties, which haven't seen investment in years, sucks, especially given the renewed interest in extraction of profits from consumers since the merger. Clearly, of the two companies that merged, one was selling a more "premium" experience whose advantage over the other was consumer spending. Six Flags Great Adventure was by far the most neglected of SF legacy flagships, and now is paying the price for both Sucking as a Six Flags Park and Sucking as A Six Flags Flagship. If it had never grown any larger, I'd be content with the Michigan's Adventure of the Northeast.
 
Wonder what may happen with the DDD/Karts/Right Stuff plot
Honestly, the more time passes since Right Stuff’s building was used for more to the public than a Fright Fest trail, the more I think it’s unfortunately going to stick around and continue to be a bit of an eyesore. I can’t entirely blame them, it’s the largest storage facility they have within the park by a wide margin.

I think the best choices for the DDD/Karts plots though would be a compact GCI, a GG family woodie, a flat package, or a combination of the latter two. The lack of a more traditional woodie has been one of the most glaring flaws in the lineup since Rolling Thunder closed, and we all know Great Adventure could use some flats.
 
Honestly, the more time passes since Right Stuff’s building was used for more to the public than a Fright Fest trail, the more I think it’s unfortunately going to stick around and continue to be a bit of an eyesore. I can’t entirely blame them, it’s the largest storage facility they have within the park by a wide margin.

To be fair, they can probably do a lot to disguise it with a proper full area retheme. "Go Away Green"/"Be Gone Blue," some quality landscaping, and plop something significant in front of it—do some of that and it's probably a total aesthetic non-issue to leave the building up as a flex/events space.
 
I’ve hoped they’d at least do that for a long time, and with the area finally being revamped, I hope you’re right. Doesn’t hurt that they’ve actively been making visual improvements since the merger, and even somewhat during the 50th anniversary.
 
like, No <3 If you wanna "let’s be so for real" me (a great example of the kind of demeaning language I've been met with), there is simply no world in which Six Flags could not have afforded to maintain said attractions in their primes. It was a series of choices that deprioritized the consumer experience in favor of shareholder profit. That's what the company does now, and I do not understand how recognizing that is MORE upsetting than recognizing that going to one of their legacy SIx Flags properties, which haven't seen investment in years, sucks, especially given the renewed interest in extraction of profits from consumers since the merger. Clearly, of the two companies that merged, one was selling a more "premium" experience whose advantage over the other was consumer spending. Six Flags Great Adventure was by far the most neglected of SF legacy flagships, and now is paying the price for both Sucking as a Six Flags Park and Sucking as A Six Flags Flagship. If it had never grown any larger, I'd be content with the Michigan's Adventure of the Northeast.
I did not mean for my “Let’s be so for real” comment to come off as demeaning. I was simply trying to put more emphasis on what I was saying and why.

Unfortunately, the merged SF chain does the exact same thing United does. They favor their shareholders. That why Cedar Fair ultimately performed better than SF in a lot of fronts—they didn’t favor their shareholders. Unfortunately for Cedar Fair, when the merger was finalized, they inherited what is essentially, and pardon my French, a shitshow of a park. They didn’t make the decisions that led to the park to be in such a state. They may have influenced the Ka removal, but even if Ka was still around, that doesn’t change the fact that the rest of the park is quite frankly just not good. The attractions in question would have had to leave at some point in time. Twister is an aging ride that HUSS still produces parts for but it wasn’t very popular and had a rather short ride cycle. Lantern was not a smooth ride and combine that with the downstairs pain and naturally it wasn’t going to see as much ridership, so that removal made a lot of sense. Parachuter’s Perch only stood for as long as it did because it served as a communications/cell tower for the park. They built a new one, so the park had no more need for it, so it too came down. Ultimately, every single removal that happened had a legitimate reason behind why they did it.

The park, during my visit even before Ka’s removal, really wasn’t good, and that was entirely SF’s fault. Under the new CF management I’m hopeful for the park as they have a higher bar when it comes to new additions and ultimately, their presentation. Say what you want, but I personally think that the Ka replacement will be worth waiting for, and I have faith in the CF management it will be done right.
 
and I have faith in the CF management it will be done right.

I don't think you really even need to have faith that it'll be done right. We have numerous examples of amazing e-ticket-lead area renovations under recent Cedar Fair management.

Maybe someone could make the argument that that was pre-merger so those case studies are meaningless for forecasting the future—that may be a perfectly valid argument—but anyone who takes that path will have to reasonably concede that they simply don't have evidence to predict the outcome in one way or the other and, hence, should be happy to take a neutral, wait-and-see approach. Post-merger we sure haven't seen a horrible mismanagement of cap-ex in my opinion. If someone can point to a project that really flopped due to design shortcomings, definitely do so—I'm all ears.

Hell, come to think of it, the only area retheme post merger we may have to look to is the SFMM 2026 plans and, if you ask me, those look STELLAR...
 
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