We need another roller coaster that launches multiple times especially.
Project 2025/Holzfäller: Big Bad Wolf 2 (B&M Family Invert)
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No chance you have the cords from the first samples in comparison to see how big of a foot print they could be working with ?
The cleared area of Festhaus Park has seen so many soil tests now—often in, seemingly, the same or overlapping areas. Each time something new is designed for the site, they seem to do new tests for the area that new project would encompass. Could whatever is in the works now use whatever new data they're gathering plus the information gleaned from previous tests? I would think yes, but recent precedent says they may not be willing to for whatever reason.
The optimistic project scope (all of the FHP soil tests over the last few years combined) includes all of the cleared and wooded parts of Festhaus Park to the Rhine and then also across the railroad tracks all through the boneyard and beyond.
I think the more realistic, likely outcome though may be that whatever is brewing now is only slated to use the cleared portion of Festhaus Park.
If true, I have a lot of concerns honestly. Using the bulk of the cleared, flat, most accessible land in Festhaus Park for a coaster rather than the much more difficult or remote terrain of limited use on the outskirts or perimeter of the site seems like it could be a very, very poor, shortsighted land use. We've already seen this happen with Pantheon where a poorly planned coaster addition has dramatically limited the park's future options in the area—but doing something similar in Festhaus Park would be far more egregious in my opinion.
There are only a few plots in the entire park that could, one day long into the future, see a new, full, hamlet build-out. BGW already murdered one of those with Pantheon. I pray they don't do the same to the park's most-prime guest area expansion pad, Festhaus Park.
I do really worry though. I think the constantly shifting sands of the parks addition plans lately have demonstrated that there really isn't some 5-year, let alone long-term, 25-year, vision for the future of the park being adhered to anymore. Investment areas seem to be chosen as a matter of convenience, not with deep consideration of the countless impacts such a decision will have in the decades ahead. That "do it fast, cheap, and easy" approach vs taking the time to dream of where the park could be for its 75th anniversary really concerns me greatly. Poor land uses can catch up to parks very quickly and these issues have a way of compounding atop one another. Just look at any number of Six Flags parks today to see what can become of once-sensible park designs and layouts when the easiest, most convenient path is picked every time it's time to invest again.
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Fans have been talking about a new hamlet for 20 years now and nothing has ever come of it.
We got a new hamlet in 2009 and the time since 2009 has—how should I put this—been rocky.
Now, there are serious proposals internally to annex that new-for-2009 park area into a second property—reducing the current park area back to nearly pre-2009 levels. If nothing else, replacing that land area elsewhere in the park is very reasonable.
Beyond that issue though, it's also not unrealistic to think that, with the right management and conditions, BGW could see a couple more new villages in the next 50 years. That is, of course, if there are sensible plots left to build them and corporate will to make long-term investments into the property—whether from SEAS or a new owner.
And for the record, this isn't just an issue for new hamlet believers—guest-accessible land is needed for simple attraction additions too. Festa Italia is now basically, boxed-in by attractions with few, if any, realistic options for getting guest paths out of the current areas to provide egress for a new attraction. That's a huge mistake if you ask me.
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In my experience different pulls on this can be due to load distribution.
The three different samples with rumors on each project has been for wildly different coasters, with different footer sizes, likely different footer depths, with different loads. Theoretically this may use more of the area but they are testing for that purpose.
Just like @horsesboy, and not trying rain on anyone's parade, but Festhaus Park does have areas of spoil material, unconsolidated fill and and soil fill left over from Verbolten. These borings could be to confirm the limits and depths of that material. This could be a feasibility study to determine how much poor soil needs to be removed and replaced with structural fill to support a new attraction. Not all borings are for the purpose of determining the bearing weight of the soil. Some borings are used to determine the soil profiles for permeability, infiltration and stormwater management capacity. This, of course, is only speculation on my part.
This just deserved more than a like.
The more exciting option is something new. In my industry, when we’re about to drop 120’ transmission poles, we take soil borings. This triggers all levels of interest and review from county, state, and federal interests. Something big is planned!
There are less exciting reasons, too. My company created a pile of dirt from one construction, stored it, and then moved it years later to grade a site. That new site received only a graded pile of dirt, but still needed soil borings.
We listen for and always hope for great things. And not trying to soil your hopes, but it could be boring.
(I’ll see myself out)
Really depth if these samples matter too. it could be just to find how deep that waste goes. Could be to find where the water level is.
And while I get tempering expectations, (personally) I don’t think that’s what’s BGW is doing this stuff for. Especially when it’s been done 2 other times in a 5 year span.
And while I get tempering expectations, (personally) I don’t think that’s what’s BGW is doing this stuff for. Especially when it’s been done 2 other times in a 5 year span.
If that's happening, is it in support of some immediate planned use for FHP, or just a general land improvement unrelated to any particular project?
Is there any evidence of a new drainage system being installed?
A sub soil drainage system is usually for an area where water pools and becomes swampy or for water intrusion into building. Given the slope I am having hard time visioning where one would be needed in Festhaus. On top of that you are talking about a system that usually is just barely bellow the top soil which is far above he level that you would usually do bore testing to.
Nah, I doubt you've missed anything. @Jahrules's permit bot hasn't seen anything like a drainage project for FHP come in.
That's why I asked. Maybe @bgw enthusiasts is saying he knows someone inside the park claiming it or maybe he has seen something not public?
That's why I asked. Maybe @bgw enthusiasts is saying he knows someone inside the park claiming it or maybe he has seen something not public?
I agree and to add: There really is no need for a subsurface system in the Festhaus field. The Rhine is low enough in elevation that there should be no issues with groundwater. There might be some localized ponding of surface water during rain events, but usually that infiltrates/drains within 36 hours. Typically a subsurface system is designed to service a specific development. Subsurface system can be used to control and treat stormwater, but they are extremely expensive. BG can just use the Rhine for stormwater management and control. That was confirmed with the JPA for Project Madrid back in 2018. Those documents confirmed that the Rhine is manmade and could be modified as needed. In fact, early plans showed a modification to one of the swales adjacent to the train trestle for construction of a stormwater forebay (catch basin) in the Rhine.
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