Project 2025/Holzfäller: Big Bad Wolf 2 (B&M Family Invert)

[halfabee]

I don’t agree with the OTSR idea on RMC rides, but this notion that it’s reasonable to expect RMCs to sacrifice so much physical comfort for so many in order to achieve their signature layouts and airtime etc… Such a harsh tradeoff is not necessary.

If RMC were able to improve their combined seat + restraint system design to let people keep their feet farther forward while remaining securely strapped in, but made no other noticeable changes to layout or operation, IMO riders would be very surprised by the incremental improvement in comfort they would experience.

Pinning riders’ feet back prevents them from exerting leverage against the floor of the car to control the pitch angle of their bodies during RMCs’ copious bucking-bronco moments, and causes a weirdly lopsided front-to-back distribution of body weight against the underside of the bar during hangtime inversions and other negative-G maneuvers, of which RMC rides typically have several. It’s also just an awkward seating position during even the quietest of ride moments.

That seems like a better place to start than just saying “Oh well, expect unnecessary discomfort as the price of entry.” RMC could do better.

 

[Zachary]

Hot take: i305's airtime feels no less extreme because it has OSTRs. I'd take an RMC layout with i305-style seats and restraints over an RMC lap bar all day, everyday. I think a lot of non-thoosies would probably agree with me too.

 

[Diamond Dave]

Hot take: i305's airtime feels no less extreme because it has OSTRs. I'd take an RMC layout with i305-style seats and restraints over an RMC lap bar all day, everyday. I think a lot of non-thoosies would probably agree with me too.

Counter, I get bruises on my shoulders/chest after riding I305 because of the tight shoulder straps (most recently a month ago). RMCs are very comfortable for me.

 

[Thrills & Chills WQAQ]

Hot take: i305's airtime feels no less extreme because it has OSTRs. I'd take an RMC layout with i305-style seats and restraints over an RMC lap bar all day, everyday. I think a lot of non-thoosies would probably agree with me too.

I absolutely love I-305s restraints, the intamin soft straps are so comfy. I’m also a huge, huge fan of the skyrush restraints somehow, and i love them and they allow me to feel insane airtime and also be secure.

 

[warfelg]

If they are going to stay with the ankle restraints they need to have it on a separate lever from the waist restraint. I’ve got long legs so they get really pinched in RMCs. Add in my little gut and it’s a super incredibly uncomfortable ride to have my legs pinched under me while pushing my gut down under the bar.

 

[CoasterAuditor]

On my end other than the fact its sensors are extremely inconsistent (when Roman Gods are involved anyway) I think my favorite restraints I've encountered so far are the current gen intamin lap bars. You're so exposed but comfortable. No shoulder harness, no shin guards, it feels like a small square holding you in. Put them on everything.

Including Project 2024 in Festhaus Park!

 

[Thrills & Chills WQAQ]

On my end other than the fact its sensors are extremely inconsistent (when Roman Gods are involved anyway) I think my favorite restraints I've encountered so far are the current gen intamin lap bars. You're so exposed but comfortable. No shoulder harness, no shin guards, it feels like a small square holding you in. Put them on everything.

Including Project 2024 in Festhaus Park!

Sooo skyrush lapbars 2.0

 

[madmax]

Hot take: i305's airtime feels no less extreme because it has OSTRs. I'd take an RMC layout with i305-style seats and restraints over an RMC lap bar all day, everyday. I think a lot of non-thoosies would probably agree with me too.

This is flat out lying lol. I305’s airtime is no where near the level of an RMC

 

[halfabee]

This is flat out lying lol. I305’s airtime is no where near the level of an RMC

He didn't claim it is.

RIF

 

[CoasterAuditor]

Sooo skyrush lapbars 2.0

I mean sort of but not exactly. Skyrushs lap bars positioned themselves further down on your legs where the current lap bars actually restrain your lap.

 

[Jpineda96]

Any updates on potential layouts?

 

[Viator]

About the restraint comment (and perhaps forgive me if this is without past context); wouldn't that mean that RMC is wanting to make a generational jump from their current-gen lap-bars, to something more simplistic like what Intamin and Vekoma have? That was my thought process when reading that.

 

[qdeathstar]

Any updates on potential layouts?

Up and down, then up, but also down. And around also.

 

[Jonesta6]

Up and down, then up, but also down. And around also.

That implies it's a full circuit ride

 

[qdeathstar]

That implies it's a full circuit ride

Could be vertically around

 

[Jonesta6]

Could be vertically around

Huh?

 

[GoHokies87]

Full Circuit RMC is almost a lock IMO. At this point the real question is if they will go for a tallest or longest record. I don't expect them to pay for the track length to get longest though.

 

[Lord Robert]

I'm crossing my fingers that it's going to be an RMC hybrid as well. I'm going to give it the nickname "Stahl Drachen" until the park confirms otherwise.

 

[GrantLee123]

I'm crossing my fingers that it's going to be an RMC hybrid as well. I'm going to give it the nickname "Stahl Drachen" until the park confirms otherwise.

That German is too realistic. Needs to be Stiehl Dragon

 

[Jonesta6]

As long as it's not Stiehl Pantera...