If it were Vekoma, yes. If it is the exact same trains as Phoenix Rising, no. I find it highly unlikely the trains will be any different than PR.
Project 2025/Holzfäller: Big Bad Wolf 2 (B&M Family Invert)
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With the standard trains that this will run- No, there will be no mechanical swinging whatsoever. Likely differently colored, but we're all expecting the trains to be rigid, like so:
In a world of hypotheticals, I believe they probably could have designed it to actually swing like Old BBW, but I assume that's quite the extra cost to develop a brand new coaster style with abnormally dynamic forces that the swinging aspect would introduce. But back in reality, for whatever reason or other, the trains won't swing.
That all makes sense, thank you both!
I so badly want to hold out hope that the marketing failure regarding Phoenix Rising swinging was fueled by marketing team getting ahead of themselves announcing a new innovation that B&M is working on, like they know it’s being worked on but they misunderstood/assumed the cars would be for both coasters not just BGW’s
The likelihood of that is incredibly low (basically zero), i know. But dang, wouldn’t that be a crazy plot twist??
I so badly want to hold out hope that the marketing failure regarding Phoenix Rising swinging was fueled by marketing team getting ahead of themselves announcing a new innovation that B&M is working on, like they know it’s being worked on but they misunderstood/assumed the cars would be for both coasters not just BGW’s
The likelihood of that is incredibly low (basically zero), i know. But dang, wouldn’t that be a crazy plot twist??
It would sure be a great surprise... Though if B&M were working on that, that may be a large enough change that a patent is needed- in which case, we (thoosie community at large) would have caught that. Or, maybe an existing patent (like Arrow's old suspended coaster patent (now S&S?)) could have outright prevented them from pursuing a true swinging, suspended coaster.
Who knows for sure though. I do think this layout will be pretty dynamic and have some real fun side-to-side motion, it seems much more in that style than Phoenix Rising.
Who knows for sure though. I do think this layout will be pretty dynamic and have some real fun side-to-side motion, it seems much more in that style than Phoenix Rising.
Arrow's patents have all expired, patents are only good for twenty years.
Actually, Arrow suspended coasters are a subcategory of inverts.
BGW could have done so much better with this ride. This ride literally is terrible. The park does nothing good
Eh, RCDB calls them different categories, and even if they were the same category, Iron Dragon is longer.
I wasn’t trying to imply that their claim of being longest is valid. I was just pointing out that by definition, suspended coasters are a subcategory of inverts, because the rider travels under the track.
If they were trying to go with a swinging style of coaster they should have just put in a S&S AXIS coaster. That at least would have been worthy of the Big Bad Wolf namesake, regardless of what they put after the name 2, revenge, returns its the only coaster that would have made sense.
The Big Bad Wolf was a family coaster. And B&M is probably the best company that there is to bring it back, in regards to their reputation at BGW, parks around the country, and parks around the WORLD. Can't think of a better company to bring back this ride. BBW is in good hands! Haters gonna hate . B&m has proven themselves and there's a reason the swinging style of coaster didn't stick around
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I think it's a little crazy to think about the decades of lore and concepts that have gone through everyone's mind about this Drachen Fire / Festhaus Park plot of land. It is a pretty infamous piece of land for the park. Drachen Fire was removed in 2002. SO much modern experimentation with roller coasters was happening in this time period with the first giga coaster, first strata coaster, and Busch Gardens Williamsburg was on a roll in the late 90's building the biggest and baddest. To think, with all the awesome things over the last 20 years or so, who would've thought back then with the Big Bad Wolf (1984) still operating right next to it that the removal of Drachen Fire would eventually be filled with a replacement of the Wolf.
I'm excited to see how this goes and how it rides. But, just like it's been discussed before, it just feels off. This land was never supposed to be used for this.
I'm excited to see how this goes and how it rides. But, just like it's been discussed before, it just feels off. This land was never supposed to be used for this.
A part of me wishes that they went with a 2 for 1 deal with Vekoma. Have your Big Bad Wolf be a STC with Drachen Fire be a family boomerang. Have the two interact with each other and you kill two birds with one stone.
That would actually be sick.
I think it’s neat that not only will this new coaster have the same color scheme as the late BBW, but as of 2025, all rainbow colors will be represented by the track colors of almost all the B&Ms in Virginia. Wolf’s Revenge is red, Dominator is orange with a yellow loop, Rapterra is green, Griffon is blue, and Apollo is purple.
During member appreciation weekend this Saturday and Sunday, members can receive one free quick queue for the ride.
There is roller coaster track in the Drachen Fire station for the first time in 22 years!
I really hope that they pay good tribute to drachen fire in some way and really incorporate it to the ride. Because if you are paying tribute to Big Bad Wolf HELL BRINGING IT BACK FOR CRYING OUT LOUD, along with paying tributes to it on Verbolton, you got to at least pay tribute to the ride in some sort of way, maybe make reference to a dragon in the onboard audio, put some kind of dragon statue in the queue, or maybe keep the little dragons that hang on the side of the station.
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