Project 2022: Pantheon
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I miss when it was all light hearted and we worshipped an all-knowing deer
Well if the deer didn’t leak the PowerPoint we would not be In this predicament
1. Agree with the gimmick discussion completely, and not a fan of spikes. Hoping that's not the direction, in spite of also feeling like they'll incorporate something into 'the attraction' that makes it something other than a "traditional" giga. In any event, I'm not going to get much worked up about it yet as I really think this is early/rough concept material (the pictures), at best.
2. And I'm still going with the theory of such material (the pictures) being separate from the slides. Sure, possible that it's an intentional fake/leak of SEAS-fabricated slides, but a haphazard edit job by a third-party is kind of an Occam's razor thing to me.
Just too many problems for me with the slides, me with a bit of time touching a lot of different functional areas in what I do (marketing, product, investor relations, legal, many others)--no SEAS inside knowledge, just basically just working at companies that build things. And maybe I've just been talking to a lot of deer, and I've stayed at Holiday Inn Express. That this is a leak of a real, even if draft or faked, SEAS ppt doesn't pass the sniff test. And likely we'll never know anyway.
Now what I do think SEAS may be guilty of from a hype perspective is the way they've dealt with the media and pseudo-acknowledged the slides. To that end, I think they're just going with the flow since nothing out there really "hurts" them (more value in the buzz about people discussing cool things maybe planned for the parks than concern anyone would mistake the slides as real plans or intellectual property). So to parse what was said or not said by SEAS about this and what that may infer or not about specifics about the slides...is probably over thinking it a bit.
How many pages of discussion has this generated? Can't be a bad thing.
2. And I'm still going with the theory of such material (the pictures) being separate from the slides. Sure, possible that it's an intentional fake/leak of SEAS-fabricated slides, but a haphazard edit job by a third-party is kind of an Occam's razor thing to me.
Just too many problems for me with the slides, me with a bit of time touching a lot of different functional areas in what I do (marketing, product, investor relations, legal, many others)--no SEAS inside knowledge, just basically just working at companies that build things. And maybe I've just been talking to a lot of deer, and I've stayed at Holiday Inn Express. That this is a leak of a real, even if draft or faked, SEAS ppt doesn't pass the sniff test. And likely we'll never know anyway.
Now what I do think SEAS may be guilty of from a hype perspective is the way they've dealt with the media and pseudo-acknowledged the slides. To that end, I think they're just going with the flow since nothing out there really "hurts" them (more value in the buzz about people discussing cool things maybe planned for the parks than concern anyone would mistake the slides as real plans or intellectual property). So to parse what was said or not said by SEAS about this and what that may infer or not about specifics about the slides...is probably over thinking it a bit.
How many pages of discussion has this generated? Can't be a bad thing.
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I would make a joke about this actually being Drachen Watr but I think I ran that joke over already.
Imo I'd be totally fine with either the giga or the launched coaster; both have different aspects they could each bring the park, both could have a lot of fun playing around with the park's terrain, both can provide a unique thrill to the riders, and hey, I'd even argue that both lift and launch can build up anticipation in their own ways (lifts providing a beautiful view that's a way of saying 'hey better prepare!' while the launch plays up human nature's desire to constantly keep moving by building up anticipation because you're sitting around waiting, not really knowing for certain when the launch will take place; both are good and bad in their own respective ways).
I just really hope that they finally add another connecting path to Festa; I know I've said it before but I hate how much of a bottleneck that entire area is.
Imo I'd be totally fine with either the giga or the launched coaster; both have different aspects they could each bring the park, both could have a lot of fun playing around with the park's terrain, both can provide a unique thrill to the riders, and hey, I'd even argue that both lift and launch can build up anticipation in their own ways (lifts providing a beautiful view that's a way of saying 'hey better prepare!' while the launch plays up human nature's desire to constantly keep moving by building up anticipation because you're sitting around waiting, not really knowing for certain when the launch will take place; both are good and bad in their own respective ways).
I just really hope that they finally add another connecting path to Festa; I know I've said it before but I hate how much of a bottleneck that entire area is.
Aww...
Yay! Everyone can be friends again!
To celebrate, here's an appropriately-named coaster for the occasion:
Plus we can all agree anything BGW builds will be better than the first generation, Beijing Shibaolai Amusement Equipment-made knockoff of a Vekoma SLC, right?
Yay! Everyone can be friends again!
To celebrate, here's an appropriately-named coaster for the occasion:
Plus we can all agree anything BGW builds will be better than the first generation, Beijing Shibaolai Amusement Equipment-made knockoff of a Vekoma SLC, right?
To be fair, how many Inverts have an actual airtime hill? Couple that with the fact that it may actually kill you, and I could see this being a decent thrill.
Hardly. This was reasonable, level headed, and thoughtful. Bring more of that!
What wastes people's time is pure speculation based off of RUMINT, personal preference, or, "gut feeling." It does not help anyone to just declare your opinion to be certain and declare your opinion to be correct when your hypothesis is filled with unsubstantiated claims, incomplete references, and questionable sources.
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Verbolten introducing the drop track to North America certainly counts - and so would introducing a switch track spike to North America.
That said, with novel elements, care must be taken to ensure they contribute to the overall experience, not clash with it. Verbolten's drop track, in my book, clashes badly with the rest of the ride, as did Apollo's scrapped goose-in-the-face.
A Soaring With Dragon style coaster should have much more after the spike. We already have Tempesto, we don't need a Full Throttle.
Only airtime machines.
We all keep assuming that SeaWorld doesn't know what they're talking about when they call this a "shuttle coaster." We keep assuming it has a multi-part lauch like Soaring with Dragon and SeaWorld is just confused in their terminology.
What if the slide is telling the truth? What if it is an actual shuttle coaster and the spike is at the end of the course? Imagine a Soaring with Dragon-like layout that you complete both forwards and backwards.
A true shuttle coaster would be quite a bit different than Tempesto. And truthfully, I'm big fan of Mr. Freeze. I blame the bad reputation shuttle coasters tend to have on Vekoma Boomerangs. Maybe it's time for someone like Intamin to build a truely great shuttle coaster...?
I know this idea is a longshot, but I am trying to think outside the box here to make sure we don't ignore anything that could be possible
What if the slide is telling the truth? What if it is an actual shuttle coaster and the spike is at the end of the course? Imagine a Soaring with Dragon-like layout that you complete both forwards and backwards.
A true shuttle coaster would be quite a bit different than Tempesto. And truthfully, I'm big fan of Mr. Freeze. I blame the bad reputation shuttle coasters tend to have on Vekoma Boomerangs. Maybe it's time for someone like Intamin to build a truely great shuttle coaster...?
I know this idea is a longshot, but I am trying to think outside the box here to make sure we don't ignore anything that could be possible
An extended shuttle coaster...Could the "highest speed over the water" be the closest we'll ever get to the Arrow Stratosphere Fishhook?
But now the worry is capacity. Mr. Freeze is at SFoT and SFStL - a mid-tier and low-tier Six Flags respectively.
But now the worry is capacity. Mr. Freeze is at SFoT and SFStL - a mid-tier and low-tier Six Flags respectively.
Mmmmmm.....this possibility scares me. And I love Mr. Freeze too.
And for the record (not directed at you Zachary!) I'm not against BGW doing something new and unique. And I'm not "Giga or Bust!" I think there's a lot of space in there to do something. As I pointed out in another post, there's so many models by manufacturers that haven't been built in the area yet that they could do if they wanted to so some '1st'. I rather see them go with something like one of those and push the limits rather than something never done. My $0.02 there.
I've never seen any official comments regarding Project Madrid or what may be built. The closest I've seen is an indirect reference to the entire company wide "leak package" in a recent tweet that said "Yep, you could say we're ready to knock your socks off. Stay tuned for even more park updates!"
Seriously, I just can't imagine a shuttle at a park like BGW, especially with Tempesto, even though it's a technically a full circuit.
Capacity is a thing... If not a giga, I'm going to place my bets on some kind of super SWD. But I still think the slide is questionable.
Also, as far as the theoretical backwards launch of the spike goes, 76 mph could possible reach near the top of a 250ft+ spike. It all depends on where the launch stops, i.e where the train begins losing energy. Superman the escape is only a 100mph ride, but reaches near the top of a 400ft tower (with the new LSMs installed). I'm not willing to do all the math and physics equations, because theres a lot with the angle of the spike as well, but I'm not absolutely uncertain 76mph would be sufficient to get the train near the top for the intended effect.
Also, I don't know why everyone is stuck on intamin... I don't know if Mr. Giles left, but i'm just going to assume for bgw atleast that relationship may still be a bit sour.
Premier innovated the "goes backwards but is still full circuit launch coaster"... And they were a pioneering force in magnetic launch coasters... and They don't really have the bad rep that Intamin has.
Capacity is a thing... If not a giga, I'm going to place my bets on some kind of super SWD. But I still think the slide is questionable.
Also, as far as the theoretical backwards launch of the spike goes, 76 mph could possible reach near the top of a 250ft+ spike. It all depends on where the launch stops, i.e where the train begins losing energy. Superman the escape is only a 100mph ride, but reaches near the top of a 400ft tower (with the new LSMs installed). I'm not willing to do all the math and physics equations, because theres a lot with the angle of the spike as well, but I'm not absolutely uncertain 76mph would be sufficient to get the train near the top for the intended effect.
Also, I don't know why everyone is stuck on intamin... I don't know if Mr. Giles left, but i'm just going to assume for bgw atleast that relationship may still be a bit sour.
Premier innovated the "goes backwards but is still full circuit launch coaster"... And they were a pioneering force in magnetic launch coasters... and They don't really have the bad rep that Intamin has.
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