Project 2022: Pantheon
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I can't do the math on how high with the speed stuff... But no matter what, the coaster will not go the full 315ft. Look at videos of Superman Escape from Krypton and you'll see they leave a good amount of cushion from the top. Also factor in a lightning rod and FAA light on top as part of the height. (This was discussed a few days ago...scroll back.)
But, to even confuse the issue more...on the Intamin page about SwD they say the top speed achieved is when it's coming down that first non-inverting loop...NOT coming down from the spike before climbing the loop. "Out of the loop, the trains reach their maximum speed of approx. 125 km/h" (77.67mph). https://www.intaminworldwide.com/soaring-with-dragon-wanda-hefei/
So, did the author of the "leak" slide just grab the 76mph from the SwD press info and not factor in a spike 100+ft taller? Is the launch going to be faster to achieve the increased height? Hmmmm
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The speed listed is BS on so many levels. 76 is achievable with a 190 foot height let alone 315.
Even then EFK was built 20 years ago and SWD goes way further up the spike.
That’s why I think the top hat is what’s 315 feet and not the spike, and the first launch is what’s 76. Essentially a supersized version of SWD.
Whatever..you seem to be the self-proclaimed expert.
That has so much more to do with height of spike than speed. 400+ feet is taller than about 200 feet. Not rocketscience.
So you’re telling me that this ride will need 87 feet of clearance on the spike?
The coaster doesn’t have to reach 315 feet. Maybe it did in an outdated plan or is still the plan, but just because Busch filed for a 315 foot height waiver definitely doesn’t mean they have to use every inch of it.
Like we talked about, the evolution of a coaster design can change greatly, especially since there is around a 3 year time window between the permit filing and a 2020 spring opening.
Like we talked about, the evolution of a coaster design can change greatly, especially since there is around a 3 year time window between the permit filing and a 2020 spring opening.
That's not wha.....you know what. Nevermind. The point was clear.
Being a glutton for punishment, I'll jump back in on this speed/height thing.
This is SwD at it's peak on the 196ft tower. By extremely scientific means (guesstimating) it appears it reaches a height of about 165ft (3ft per cross rail, 6ft lightning rod). We don't know the speed it reaches to attain this height. Intamin states in their PR page the ride achieves it's maximum speed (77mph) on the drop from the first non-inverting loop.
The "leak" says the max height for the ride is 315ft. So, let's assume it gets about the same distance from the top as SwD - 280ft.
Turbo Track at Ferrari World (a shuttle) has a twisted 210ft spike tower. Judging by videos it appears to get up to 200ft. The speed for that LSM launched ride is listed at 63mph.
Thus (in my Bill Nye Halloween costume) I think it's highly conceivable that a boost of 14mph would allow the Madrid coaster to achieve 280ft or so.
On a semi-unrelated side note, doesn't the tower footer pattern look very close to the RPA pattern closest to San Marco?
This is SwD at it's peak on the 196ft tower. By extremely scientific means (guesstimating) it appears it reaches a height of about 165ft (3ft per cross rail, 6ft lightning rod). We don't know the speed it reaches to attain this height. Intamin states in their PR page the ride achieves it's maximum speed (77mph) on the drop from the first non-inverting loop.
The "leak" says the max height for the ride is 315ft. So, let's assume it gets about the same distance from the top as SwD - 280ft.
Turbo Track at Ferrari World (a shuttle) has a twisted 210ft spike tower. Judging by videos it appears to get up to 200ft. The speed for that LSM launched ride is listed at 63mph.
Thus (in my Bill Nye Halloween costume) I think it's highly conceivable that a boost of 14mph would allow the Madrid coaster to achieve 280ft or so.
On a semi-unrelated side note, doesn't the tower footer pattern look very close to the RPA pattern closest to San Marco?
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Good theory, but it's a different pattern (round vs hexagonal), and the RPA pattern is about 90 feet across, SwD spike is 45 feet. Point of reference: TTD's top hat footers at 97 feet apart.
Sorry for the double post, but I want to know the odds (and maybe @Zachary and/or @Nicole could give good ones for this) that:
1 ~There's more slides with potential options on them?
2 ~The slides were from pre-height waiver filing?
3 ~The plans of what was on here changed?
4 ~Some elements of these slides were rejected in the meeting these slides came from?
I feel like 1 and 2 are very likely, 3 less likely but still there, 4 least likely.
1 ~There's more slides with potential options on them?
2 ~The slides were from pre-height waiver filing?
3 ~The plans of what was on here changed?
4 ~Some elements of these slides were rejected in the meeting these slides came from?
I feel like 1 and 2 are very likely, 3 less likely but still there, 4 least likely.
I hear you. But I'm a bit conflicted on its location. If I go by the red star initially indicated here, it's very close to the RPA "final drop" location approved after the height waiver. However, when I type in the exact latitude/longitude shown on the FAA document in Google Earth it shows a location in the center of the field, just towards the river from that existing large shed.
And, if you open your mind and look again at the SwD video, the first non-inverting loop is 187ft. The train really slows at the top and (according to Intamin) doesn't reach it's 77mph top speed until it drops from that loop. So no way is it possible to get up a 315ft top hat at 76mph.
I have no direct evidence, but my hope is that Marketing used old pictures to create a fake leak, and that discussions have evolved past the ideas that those images originally supported.
Not to nit pick but
0.5(315) =
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If we're actually doing the math, then the claim that 190 feet of height can get you to 76mph is also false.
(Much closer, though)
It’s about 158 feet, not 108.5. SWD is like 30 feet above that, still an extremely far cry from 315.
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