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RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?

My coaster-senses have been tingling in a strangely simple yet potentially awesome direction as of late. One thing we haven’t seen from B&M in some time has been their good old-fashioned Sitting Coaster. I know the thought may be “what about Hulk?” - but that was a revamp of a 1999 concept. Using the restraint style from their latest Wing or inverted styles and combining a 300Ft height, possibly having an inversion, length, or speed record would be big for the park. It would be a reliable choice that could have some amazing inversion potential. Additionally, Kumba at BGT is still a relatively great example and it’s a 1993 build. Imagine what the park could do with a 2019 tech, multi-inversion B&M that has a proven history with installations across the globe.

Not to mention their Sitting Coaster howls and roars beautifully at speed, and that sound across the Rhine would be incredible.

Or this is the nicest pedestrian bridge in history.
 
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Bring Back Questor 87 said:
My coaster-senses have been tingling in a strangely simple yet potentially awesome direction as of late. One thing we haven’t seen from B&M in some time has been their good old-fashioned Sitting Coaster. I know the thought may be “what about Hulk?” - but that was a revamp of a 1999 concept. Using the restraint style from their latest Wing or inverted styles and combining a 300Ft height, possibly having an inversion, length, or speed record would be big for the park. It would be a reliable choice that could have some amazing inversion potential. Additionally, Kumba at BGT is still a relatively great example and it’s a 1993 build. Imagine what the park could do with a 2019 tech, multi-inversion B&M that has a proven history with installations across the globe.

Not to mention their Sitting Coaster howls and roars beautifully at speed, and that sound across the Rhine would be incredible.

Or this is the nicest pedestrian bridge in history.

The coaster is probably 315 ft or so. That wouldn't work.
 
RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?

Correct me if I’m wrong, 315 feet is the waiver, it doesn’t have to be that high, right? Whatever this is could be like Alpengeist that is 195ft tall and drops 170.
 
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Bring Back Questor 87 said:
Correct me if I’m wrong, 315 feet is the waiver, it doesn’t have to be that high, right? Whatever this is could be like Alpengeist that is 195ft tall and drops 170.

True but it's very unlikely they would file for 315 feet and not use that relative height.
 
RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?

Just some speculation, but even more and more non ride operator employees are talking about intamin. Usually David and the rest of the management team have very good interaction with the lower end jobs. I even saw David acting as area host while talking with the other area hosts.
 
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I wonder where the public could have gotten any ideas that this would be an intamin...


People take rumors on this site as gospel (which is why irresponsible speculation is bad) and these people include employees who can be just as into the park as we are. Ride ops aren't told shit about the parks future.

Also, just to state it again, irresponsible speculation is bad.
 
RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?

Bring Back Questor 87 said:
Correct me if I’m wrong, 315 feet is the waiver, it doesn’t have to be that high, right? Whatever this is could be like Alpengeist that is 195ft tall and drops 170.

Correct. The 315 feet could be the height with the train, guide rail, and top light in place.

Best example (I know everything with this ride by heart!); Hersheypark filed their waiver to the 195 foot limit with a listing of 212 feet. The drop is 200 feet, and the track tops out at 200 feet too. But with the train, guide rail, and peak height light it reaches about 209 feet. So they filed for a little more height to give themselves wiggle room.
 
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Bring Back Questor 87 said:
My coaster-senses have been tingling in a strangely simple yet potentially awesome direction as of late. One thing we haven’t seen from B&M in some time has been their good old-fashioned Sitting Coaster. I know the thought may be “what about Hulk?” - but that was a revamp of a 1999 concept. Using the restraint style from their latest Wing or inverted styles and combining a 300Ft height, possibly having an inversion, length, or speed record would be big for the park. It would be a reliable choice that could have some amazing inversion potential. Additionally, Kumba at BGT is still a relatively great example and it’s a 1993 build. Imagine what the park could do with a 2019 tech, multi-inversion B&M that has a proven history with installations across the globe.


Don't see this being a B&M inverting coaster with a 300-ft height. Their tallest sit-down coaster is Dragon Khan with a 161-ft drop. Besides the dive machines, they have nothing in their portfolio with the sit down or floorless coasters being close to 200 feet tall.


Bring Back Questor 87 said:
Not to mention their Sitting Coaster howls and roars beautifully at speed, and that sound across the Rhine would be incredible.


If this was a B&M you know the park would mute the ride and fill the rails with sand like they did with AC, Alp and Griffon.
 
RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?

May sound crazy but i would love to see Vekoma build this thing with their new track, i know it probably wont happen but Lech Coaster has gotten great reviews so has F1 coaster at energylandia
 
RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?

Bring Back Questor 87 said:
Correct me if I’m wrong, 315 feet is the waiver, it doesn’t have to be that high, right? Whatever this is could be like Alpengeist that is 195ft tall and drops 170.

That true but it could also be like Apollo and Invadr and drop down hill increasing the drop height but keeping it umder the height above grade thst the waiver if for.
 
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horsesboy said:
Bring Back Questor 87 said:
Correct me if I’m wrong, 315 feet is the waiver, it doesn’t have to be that high, right? Whatever this is could be like Alpengeist that is 195ft tall and drops 170.

That true but it could also be like Apollo and Invadr and drop down hill increasing the drop height but keeping it umder the height above grade thst the waiver if for.

From what I saw on some of the files, the height isn’t based on sea level. It’s based on the location of the highest point. My guess is that it’s anywhere from 340-370 feet above sea level.
 

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RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?

horsesboy said:
Bring Back Questor 87 said:
Correct me if I’m wrong, 315 feet is the waiver, it doesn’t have to be that high, right? Whatever this is could be like Alpengeist that is 195ft tall and drops 170.

That true but it could also be like Apollo and Invadr and drop down hill increasing the drop height but keeping it umder the height above grade thst the waiver if for.

I think he's talking about just because the waiver says 315 does it mean the top height is 315.
 
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warfelg said:
horsesboy said:
Bring Back Questor 87 said:
Correct me if I’m wrong, 315 feet is the waiver, it doesn’t have to be that high, right? Whatever this is could be like Alpengeist that is 195ft tall and drops 170.

That true but it could also be like Apollo and Invadr and drop down hill increasing the drop height but keeping it umder the height above grade thst the waiver if for.

I think he's talking about just because the waiver says 315 does it mean the top height is 315.

Correct the height waver is how high above the ground it is. If its 315 above the peak over the Rhine it could drop down toward the river adding possibly 60 feet or so to the drop height witgout violating the 315 height waver. So the drop could possibly be around 370-380 if they pushed it to almost water level.
 
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horsesboy said:
Correct the height waver is how high above the ground it is.  If its 315 above the peak over the Rhine it could drop down toward the river adding possibly 60 feet or so to the drop height witgout violating the 315 height waver.  So the drop could possibly be around 370-380 if they pushed it to almost water level.

You're still missing the point. I think he wasn't asking about the drop. I think he was asking since the waiver says 315 above ground level, do they have to go 315 or can they go say 305.
 
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warfelg said:
horsesboy said:
Correct the height waver is how high above the ground it is.  If its 315 above the peak over the Rhine it could drop down toward the river adding possibly 60 feet or so to the drop height witgout violating the 315 height waver.  So the drop could possibly be around 370-380 if they pushed it to almost water level.

You're still missing the point.  I think he wasn't asking about the drop.  I think he was asking since the waiver says 315 above ground level, do they have to go 315 or can they go say 305.

No 315 is the max height they are not required to build to that but they could have requested a lower waver so its likely going to be really close to that height.
 
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RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?

Isn't anyone else having a hard time picturing a lift hill that stretches ALL the way from the DF station to the "max height" point? On the horizontal axis that's like ~1350 feet away... by comparison, Fury 325 has a lift hill that's only like 425 feet horizontally...
 
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Isn't anyone else having a hard time picturing a lift hill that stretches ALL the way from the DF station to the "max height" point? On the horizontal axis that's like ~1350 feet away... by comparison, Fury 325 has a lift hill that's only like 425 feet horizontally...

The rumor is that this won’t be a chain lift, but an lsm launch. I don’t know though.
 
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