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RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?

I find it fairly unlikely this new attraction will be a star flyer. Obviously I'm not saying this is conclusive, I'm just giving my opinion. Towers are built easily/quickly and there are tower rides that travel with fairs/ mobile amusement companies.
This ride was announced as a new attraction with lattice type structure. Mach tower's height waiver went in as "thrill attraction of a single tower not to exceed 260 feet above ground level". For comparison Tempesto was "2015 Festa Italia Attraction". The height waiver and balloon sight test were done for Mach Tower in April 2010 the ride was announced in September 2010 and the opening date was supposed to be April.
If this were a tower ride the park could have held off on the balloon test and height waiver if this is not for 2018. There's still a chance in the next two months they may announce "coming in 2018 along with our new VR attraction..." It still could be a tower for a new Hamlet and the park wanted to be sure that their plans for its first main attraction would be approved by the county before they fully plan out buildings etc. But I still honestly believe we will get a coaster then MAYBE a new area/hamlet around it.
 
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warfelg said:
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Not saying I buy in just that it was weird they all said the same thing.
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Like it was scripted?
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Didn't sound like it. Which is why it was strange.
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Maybe they talked about it before work. You could probably say they don't know anything. When I worked in the park I signed a nom disclosure. If they really knew anything they couldn't say unless given permission.
 
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If this is a coaster set for 2019 this will be the 4th roller coaster in 7 years!!! What is the need for all these coasters? I'm not complaining, but this is so unlike Busch.
 
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That makes me curious, when was the last time the park installed a flat?
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Mach Tower in 2011 and before that, wow, Festa? I know FOF features flats, but before then I think Festa may be the last time BGW added new flats as the 90's were very coaster heavy.
 
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Could you consider EitA update a "new" flat? I know it's not brand new never been in the park before exciting, but it's a new experience.

I know this isn't the place for it, but this is an interesting thought. Where would the park put some new flats if it needed it (I think a few more would be nice).

So areas I'm ruling out:
~Oktoberfest already has a bunch of flats, so that would overload one area.
~Festa Italia/Italy also has a couple of flats, so that would be another overload.
~Seaseme Street area. They could, but this would mean more youth flats, and not family flats.
~England. They'll never put a ride in there.

So the options would be:
~France/New France. Not a huge amount of room to deal with. However the area (France specifically) isn't that ride heavy. So bringing in some flats to there could help build up some interest in that area. I know it just got Invadr, but that's just 4 attractions in one area.

~Scotland. Yea I know this sounds like it could be sacrilege to do this, but the area is really Nessie and the Stables. Nessie's 40th is next year, which I think is too late to do something major (just repaint her for next year por favor and make her look new). But for Nessie's 50th (I know 50 years away), giving her the gift of a new flat or two in the area, and a 'little sister' of a kiddie coaster nearby would be fun.

~Ireland. Again a small area that could take a flat or two. Ok, so I know I'm about to mention something sacrilege; but if (I hope not but if) anything were to happen with the animals, would they expand Ireland some, put some flats in that area. Ok something happier: I think if they want to do a Starflier at some point, an Ireland Location would be interesting to put some life into that area.

And lastly:
~Wherever Project Madrid goes. If it is in DF's old area or out by Italia/San Marco's pasture its going to be in a "remote" area that's a little separated from it's actual area, wherever this goes will eventually need some extra pull to the area.

So coming full circle.

Project Madrid either way is going into an area that is "remote", and it's hard to jump in a full investment into everything. If it's using DF's old station there's at least some things there for the park to use right away. So they could slow grow with the ride, merchandise, some food. Then 2-3 years later you add in a few flats, then 2-3 years after than you really fully flesh out the area. Especially if you are that worried about the economics of the project you pull this out over a while.
 
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warfelg said:
So coming full circle.

Project Madrid either way is going into an area that is "remote", and it's hard to jump in a full investment into everything.  If it's using DF's old station there's at least some things there for the park to use right away.  So they could slow grow with the ride, merchandise, some food.  Then 2-3 years later you add in a few flats, then 2-3 years after than you really fully flesh out the area.  Especially if you are that worried about the economics of the project you pull this out over a while.
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I think that is most likely.  But they could consider some "cheaper" or repurposed flats, then maybe you can open them together.  Not that I'm underestimating what it would cost to build out a hamlet plus throw in some other stuff beyond a major coaster--all at the same time--but there are more economical ways of doing things.

Personally, with any new hamlet, I wouldn't count out "La Catipulta" making an appearance (if Spanish-themed).  Seriously, it has to hold the record for most moves in a park.

Does BGW still possess (maybe this is in the defunct attractions board somewhere):
Sea Dragon?
Tribant?
Die Schwarze Spinne (spider/monster)?

These would help increase draw outside of your coaster demographic (families, etc.) and should be relatively cheap, especially if they still own them and just need to get them back into operation. I don't run parks, but I would think the park would be more concerned about the operational costs (maintenance, and most importantly--people) than the initial investment for any flats.
 
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Maintenance could be why some of those are defunct.

But I agree, a few moved, a few repurposed, and maybe one or two new ones would be best. I'm not sure what other flats are out there that the park doesn't have. Maybe bring back something like the antique cars? Not a great thrilling ride or overly popular but every time I see one there's families riding it. A Gyro Swing might not be the best pick in the world at the moment after the Ohio State Fair.
 
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The park is missing a big pendulum ride. Maybe a top scan wouldn't be the best idea right now but what about a top spin? I could see them adding two more kiddie rides one or two intermediate and maybe one fairly large ride. One thing about some of the taller rides that may factor in on the decision is the ride would probably end up being light blue with barely any sort of (if any) light package. We don't want kingsmill to think we are having any sort of fun. If it can be seen outside of the park it will probably have extra restrictions.
 
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Two comments, more as clarification than anything else:

1. EitA was a dark ride, not a flat.

2. As much as I adored their Spider, it had terrible capacity, in part because of how it loads.  They would need to buy a newer version that loads all of the cars simultaneously.  I would love, if they did, incidentally.

Also: Tempesto is still a flat.
 
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2. As much as I adored their Spider, it had terrible capacity, in part because of how it loads.  They would need to buy a newer version that loads all of the cars simultaneously.  I would love, if they did, incidentally.
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Yeah the spider had the worst capacity ever. But it was a fun ride and the centerpiece of Oktoberfest's early years.

They could install one of these. Not sure who makes it but this model can load and unload the riders at the same time.

 
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If they moved catapult again, they should put it in a building to make the ride in complete darkness. Adventureland on long island had this in the 80s, called The Black Hole. It was great.
 
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PrincessArlenasDad said:
If they moved catapult again,  they should put it in a building to make the ride in complete darkness.  Adventureland on long island had this in the 80s, called The Black Hole.  It was great.
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That's how Catapult started, in Hastings.

Whether that or others, I would like to see more indoor flats or dark rides--for better winter operation and a break from the heat in summer.

As for spider, yeah, I was going to note "but the capacity stunk." Just recently rode an Everly Monster at Cedar Point... It is slow to load/unload... but really, it's not that much worse than Catapult or Flying Machine, you just need to rotate it in between the slow process of unlocking each car. And the monsters are pretty cool for flats.

I always thought Spider got the ax not just because of the low capacity, but because it was somewhat similar to Flying Machine AND had LOWER capacity.
 
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Valleyfair had an original Spider, and it was amazing. Though the short ride cycle was not worth the 10-12 mins it took to get off the damn thing. Gerstlauer makes a flat ride called Polyp that is essentially a modern version of the Spider/Monster that allows for simultaneous loading.

If the park does indeed repurpose Festhaus Park as a new area, the addition of several new flats, shops, and eateries is almost essential. It is curious that the park has not made a large flat ride investment in many years. You see both Cedar Fair and SixFlags heavily investing in new flats in their coaster off-seasons. Carowinds installed four "new" flat rides for this season and they are all fantastic classic's that were needed additions to the park. While BGW already has two of those four flats already, there are so many classic and new style flat rides to choose from out there, and the park has a lot of great places they could install them, not just in Festa, Oktoberfest, and Festhaus Park. There are several nooks and crannies around the park where a flat could be droped in and themed and not detract from the beauty or themeing of the hamlet.
 
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