James said:
logically that makes sense....but I still hope we get something so thrilling it demands a 54in height requirement
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logically that makes sense....but I still hope we get something so thrilling it demands a 54in height requirement
James said:
It's possible.
What kinda gives a hint to that is the prohibiting of any leg prostheses on the ride as this is a common rule on the B&M floorless, dive machines and inverted coasters after the incident with Montu back in the 1990s when a man lost his prosthetic leg during the ride. This also happened at IOA (around 2002/03) when some man lost his riding Dueling Dragons. As far as I know they're not prohibited on rides like Kumba or Hulk which are standard looping B&Ms.
The thing that caught my eye was th second bullet saying that the riders maturity level must be considered. And with the height restriction (this is public news, any ride attendant can tell you), the manufacturer sets the height restriction, not Busch. Maybe Zierer is really pulling out all the stops
Zierer might just be playing it safe for the first year before lowering the height restriction. Intamin did it with El Toro in 05-06 where the height requirement went from 54 to 48 over the off season. I believe.They also did it with skull mountain, too, but that was well before my enthusiasm started.
The employees (the dippin dots guy) is very hit and miss with rumors. The first hint of Mach Tower I got was from an employee and he said it was the worst kept secret ever, and he got almost every instance of it right; location, height, even the drop. The only thing he didn't get right was that it was a rotating drop tower. Mind you this was June 2010 when I heard this.
Right now everything I heard about this ride that wasn't fully 100% confirmed was wrong in some way, shape or form so I'm still taking this with a grain of salt.
The employees (the dippin dots guy) is very hit and miss with rumors. The first hint of Mach Tower I got was from an employee and he said it was the worst kept secret ever, and he got almost every instance of it right; location, height, even the drop. The only thing he didn't get right was that it was a rotating drop tower. Mind you this was June 2010 when I heard this.
Right now everything I heard about this ride that wasn't fully 100% confirmed was wrong in some way, shape or form so I'm still taking this with a grain of salt.
CarterGee said:I feel like Swiftman throws us a new piece of info everytime the forum goes off topic....maybe we should do that more often....
Maybe...
Gropplo said:
I noticed that as well. Maybe they're actually planning to make the dark ride section scary and enforcing the second rule by means of the height restriction...
bgman said:
They post that there so they have permission to kick you off the ride if you don't follow their guidlines. Like not wearing the harness right, annoying the ride ops and arguing over loose items. Six Flags has it, too and so does Cedar Fair. But they have it posted in their guest rulebook, not on the sign before the ride.
Here's my newest theory on the height requirement in the concept art:
It's not accurate. This concept art was most likely was drawn when Intamin was still being considered (hence the 54in requirement). Despite how BGW feels about the park, I'm sure they still considered the company and the concept imagery reflect this.
Also, I'm not buying "Elementum." I've been emailing Lance from Screamscape and Busch has not trademarked any other names. Just Verbolten. It's not like Griffon where they also trademarked other names to mess people up. If Elementum was indeed the name, they would've protected it somehow, especially if concept art was bound to get leaked.
Anyways, Lance makes a lot of great points and they're the most logical I've heard so far. Only think that would directly contradict his claims would be the two-rail track in the concept bridge image that looks very much like Zierer. So if they were considering Intamin why would the track reflect another company? Unless it's just standard.
EDIT: So to clear, I'm calling this: Name is not Elementum, height requirement is not 54"
It's not accurate. This concept art was most likely was drawn when Intamin was still being considered (hence the 54in requirement). Despite how BGW feels about the park, I'm sure they still considered the company and the concept imagery reflect this.
Also, I'm not buying "Elementum." I've been emailing Lance from Screamscape and Busch has not trademarked any other names. Just Verbolten. It's not like Griffon where they also trademarked other names to mess people up. If Elementum was indeed the name, they would've protected it somehow, especially if concept art was bound to get leaked.
Anyways, Lance makes a lot of great points and they're the most logical I've heard so far. Only think that would directly contradict his claims would be the two-rail track in the concept bridge image that looks very much like Zierer. So if they were considering Intamin why would the track reflect another company? Unless it's just standard.
EDIT: So to clear, I'm calling this: Name is not Elementum, height requirement is not 54"
It's worth noting that this information comes from the themeing manual for the ride. It appears over and over again in the signage and the concept art.
I'm not sure what I think of it, especially the height requirement, but that's what I'm looking at.
More signage:
I'm not sure what I think of it, especially the height requirement, but that's what I'm looking at.
More signage:
Swiftman said:
If it hasn't been trademarked by this point I'm not buying it. Elementum may be involved somehow, but I don't think it's the name of the ride. It just doesn't fit at all (though I don't really have TOO much faith in the aptitude of the Busch Marketing Dept.)
They knew this ride was coming for years. It's WAY more likely that Elementum is simply a project name and not the actual name.
And Swiftman, wasn't it you who said that concept art is just that - concept art and that it likely rarely reflects the actual ride?
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CarterGee said:
Yes, and I still hold to that. The concept art is understandable, however, I'm looking at the themeing manual for the coaster. I doubt they would fill it with fake information.
On the other hand, the concept art for Cheetah Hunt also showed its original name. I don't know where on stand on the issue. I just pass along what I see.
Swiftman said:
I guess the important question is when is the manual dated?
Not saying they purposefully filled it with fake information, but rather with the project name as they got feedback and nailed down a name. I can most liken this to Nintendo referring to its next console as "Project Cafe." They haven't trademarked a name yet because it's still being determined, and yet they still need something to call it in the meantime.
After more thinking about this 54-inch height requirement, I'm just not buying it at all.
I can't think of any lapbar-only launched coaster that has a 54-inch requirement anywhere. Xcelerator at KBF and Top Thrill Dragster at CP only require a 52-inch minimum and those rides are extreme and are much taller than what BGW is building next year. Cheetah Hunt at BGT will only have a 48-inch height requirement and that has OTSRs.
I can't think of any lapbar-only launched coaster that has a 54-inch requirement anywhere. Xcelerator at KBF and Top Thrill Dragster at CP only require a 52-inch minimum and those rides are extreme and are much taller than what BGW is building next year. Cheetah Hunt at BGT will only have a 48-inch height requirement and that has OTSRs.
Elementum hasn't been trademarked like Verbolten has.
IronEagle and (something else) were trademarked along with Griffon.
I feel like "Elementum" is the project name (Like Project Rumble becoming H:RRR) but it will wind up being called Verbolten.
IronEagle and (something else) were trademarked along with Griffon.
I feel like "Elementum" is the project name (Like Project Rumble becoming H:RRR) but it will wind up being called Verbolten.
I went searching for dates and I found some. It looks like just about everything is from the month of April.
The park trademarked Verbolten on March 11th. Maybe there was a name change between those two dates...
For the time being, I'm calling it Elementum because that's all I see in the themeing guide (which includes all the other signage for the ride as well- photo sales, gift shop, etc.)
The park trademarked Verbolten on March 11th. Maybe there was a name change between those two dates...
For the time being, I'm calling it Elementum because that's all I see in the themeing guide (which includes all the other signage for the ride as well- photo sales, gift shop, etc.)
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