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Concept Parting Out Fun Spot Atlanta & Rehoming ArieForce One

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Zachary said:
We're talking about the park with two mobius loop coasters and two SkyRockets.
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Random thought/question that’s related but unrelated:
Are we verging on a spot where some parks need to have a duplicate coaster due to ROI and what’s best for the park?

I know there’s not many parks that would ‘qualify’ for that, but it’s something to start thinking about. I’ve been thinking that while pondering when we will see a true woodie resurgence (Not hybrids or steel structure) as a smaller family friendly punch to a park where you can end up with 2-3 woodies all in the 100-175 foot range that feature slightly different variations of the thrills.
 
Zachary said:
SFMM is in a SFGAdv-style crisis, it's one of their most important properties/markets, and they are currently holding the #7 best coaster in the world in their back pocket.
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I can’t think of any other park that’s lost 4 coasters in under 2 years in recent times. Sure, two of them were kiddie coasters (one of them being 79 years old) and the other two were some of the biggest maintenance nightmares we’ve ever seen, but it’s still a staggering number for a park that previously had more coasters than anywhere else in the world.

I don’t think AFO should go to SFMM by any means, but it’s a lot less unreasonable than it was two days ago. The park absolutely needs to buy some goodwill back, much like Great Adventure did (and still does, but they’re making great headway), and AFO would certainly turn heads. Thrill Glider looks absolutely incredible, but it’s a long delayed addition, not the start of rebuilding.

If there was ever a time to seriously consider the investment into renovating the Sky Tower, it’s now.
 
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Zachary said:
So, uh, I think AF1 reconfigured as a double-out-and-back fits sorta perfectly on the X2 site...

I know it's a bad-sounding fit because SFMM already has an I-Box, but if Six Flags feels the need to rush something major in ASAP to stop the bleeding... Maybe?
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A very important consideration is that X2 is built along a steep hillside, so retrofitting the support structure to fit that terrain (and fit California's earthquake requirements) would likely be very expensive to the point the savings of a used coaster are negated. If you're at the point where you're spending $25+ million to squeeze in a used coaster that isn't a great fit, you're better off taking a couple extra years to do things right and add a true show stopper.

Zachary said:
We're talking about the park with two mobius loop coasters and two SkyRockets.

Yeah, it's duplicative, but is Six Flags gonna care? SFMM is in a SFGAdv-style crisis, it's one of their most important properties/markets, and they are currently holding the #7 best coaster in the world in their back pocket.

I'm not saying it would be a good idea, but I wouldn't be the least but surprised if Six Flags played AF1 to X2.
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Full Throttle and West Coast Racers are in the same boat as Flight of Fear and Backlot Stunt Coaster...fairly similar on a technical level, but so different in terms of ride experience they absolutely can coexist without issue. ArieForce One would be a lot more similar to Twisted Colossus in ride experience than those two are to each other.

The best move for SFMM right now would be to buy a stock model of a unique design for the west coast that can be fit into an empty plot of land for 2028/2029 (perhaps complemented with a few relocated flats from CGA a la SFGAdv's boardwalk project), then commit to installing a headliner powerful enough to draw nationwide attention for the park's 60th anniversary in 2031. In addition, they need to make sure the park gets something new every single year going forward, even if it's a relatively modest addition. While the other three coaster removals probably won't do much to the numbers, X2's loss absolutely is going to deincentivize visitation, and the fact that their last new ride was Wonder Woman back in 2022 (which didn't do a whole lot for the park) isn't helping either.
 
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In fairness, where would the technical line be when comparing similar coaster designs / experiences? Can't we theoretically argue the same point for any park that has multiple wooden roller coasters? Like I get where the argument is coming from, but at some point the GP is not going to care (or at least care enough).
 
michaellynn4 said:
In fairness, where would the technical line be when comparing similar coaster designs / experiences? Can't we theoretically argue the same point for any park that has multiple wooden roller coasters? Like I get where the argument is coming from, but at some point the GP is not going to care (or at least care enough).
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I think it's a visual issue. People are gonna think they moved twisted colossus if they see AF1 in its current color scheme and we're assuming they're that dumb
 
Man X2 has been on the chopping block for a while now. It was only a matter of time, and the lawsuits just put it over the edge. I can’t imagine they are going to revive a replacement for a hot minute. When they do, I bet it’s a B&M wing not Arie, but only time will tell.
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CarolinaCoasters said:
Man X2 has been on the chopping block for a while now. It was only a matter of time, and the lawsuits just put it over the edge. I can’t imagine they are going to revive a replacement for a hot minute. When they do, I bet it’s a B&M wing not Arie, but only time will tell.
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Honestly after all those injuries that ride's been giving people and those lawsuits, I think Six Flags had enough of that ride's problems..
 
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CarolinaCoasters said:
We wouldn’t have these problems if people would just learn to read a sign that says you can’t ride! It’s simply lawsuits and negative PR. I don’t think the ride is responsible for any of this!
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Yeah I am going to have to kinda fight this line a bit cause I keep hearing it and I frankly am starting to get a little fed up with it. Traumatic Bain Injuries TBI for short are a medical area that really only in the last decade has started to be understood. Existing risk factors that may contribute to higher risk of them occurring are not widely understood and agreed appon even by some of the leading experts in the field. Expecting the average guests to be able to read a sign and fully understand the risk and make the right choices is putting way to much on the guests.
 
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I'm a major coaster enthusiast. I know fully well how to ride rough coasters. I still hit my head very painfully multiple times during my last rides in the Spring. I had to sit down for an hour after my last ride. Stop blaming the guests for X2 closing and blame Six Flags for letting the ride get that rough.
 
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so, they taking the whole thing down or they just only taking the track off, sorry for asking a really stupid question
 
Dupa Jas said:
RMC are uninstalling this one themselves?
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Almost certainly. They're a design, manufacture, and build outfit, have been looped in on the effort to relocate the ride since the start, and will almost certainly be responsible for any modifications slated to happen for the ride's final destination. They know the ride, they know how to take it apart, they know how to ship it, and they know how to build it.

The fact that AF1 is an RMC and RMC was willing to participate is likely one of the major plusses that resulted in this used ride being so desirable in my estimation. Gave Six Flags a nice, easy answer to most of the logistics questions surrounding buying something like AF1 used.
 
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Exactly. Most manufacturers use 3rd parties to ship and build their deliveries. I think we’re all familiar with the Adena Corporation here? They installed Hollywood Drift Orlando. When a park looks at the budget for a new ride (or relocated), that budget also is going to include the shipping and install costs. RMC keeps those costs lower by doing it themselves. B&M, Intamin, and Vekoma are all manufacturers that use 3rd parties for shipping/delivery and installs, and that’ll drive up the costs. I would say Zachary is correct in that was why Arieforce One was a desirable ride for relocation.
 
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