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Sorry, what are keyhole elements?
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This is a keyhole element. I'd really love to see one of these on a dive machine. Imagine Griffon going through one of these. It would definitely make the ride far more interesting.

How about a steel coaster, that has wooden frame theming placed around it to look like a wooden coaster?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtbCi6xts7s

I'd absolutely love to see the park get a super-hybrid like Texas Giant or Iron Rattler. Ride like that but with the level of detail BGW puts into their rides would be insane.

I think that the Griffon is the perfect example of smooth yet forceful
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Funny, I actually think the opposite. Griffon is smooth as glass, but about as forceful as a ride on my couch. It doesn't have Alpengeist/Verbolten's crazy near blackout G's or Apollo's crazy air/length. Sure you get some nice floater going over the drops, but that's about it.
 
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So the whole reason why BGW doesn't have a wooden coaster is because of noise complaints from neighbors? Um....they do know they live near a FRICKING AMUSEMENT PARK, don't they??

Rich dummies....You don't hear anyone around Kings Dominion complaining about the noise from Rebel Yell or Grizzly....Bunch of nonsense.

Put in a woodie coaster, BGW. Tell those whiny neighbors to stick it...
 
It's Kingsmill and James City County and the park can't tell James City County to deal. Other parks have shown that there are ways to make quiet woodies though- special wheel compounds, topper track, I-beam track, etc.
 
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IndyRacingNut said:
Rich dummies....You don't hear anyone around Kings Dominion complaining about the noise from Rebel Yell or Grizzly....Bunch of nonsense.
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The closest homes to Kings Dominion are quite a distance away. The nearest things to KD are farms and shipping facilities, while homes are well beyond the range where you can here Kings Dominion's operations. BGW is within walking distance of the back end of Kingsmill, something quite a few other parks have to deal with, too. Dorney Park has noise restrictions that make BGW seem like you're at an air show, and the only reason why they have a wooden roller coaster is because it's 90 years old, built well before noise complaints were actually an issue. Quassy had to spend three years fighting their neighbors in order to get permission to build Wooden Warrior, something that only got approved because Quassy kept on fighting for it. You might think it's easy just to tell people to "stick it" and just build something, but there are many building codes that parks have to comply with (even if they're in the middle of nowhere) and if they choose to ignore them they will be slammed with some pretty heavy fines, along with some other punishments some of us might not want to fathom.
 
Ironic, isn't it, that AB was instrumental in developing BOTH the Kingsmill subdivision AND BGW w/the park coming in first and then the houses....and yet the houses get to dictate to the county when the park HAS to close and how much noise is acceptable, etc etc. I guarantee you the park generates MORE tax revenue for the county than all those homes combined.

I call BS. As I said, they KNOW they're parked up next to an amusement park. Shouldn't be any big surprise if there might be some loud noises coming from a certain direction. Wooden coasters are NOT going to add THAT much noise that isn't already present....

Btw, this thread seems to be headed in a different direction, moderators.
 
I read an article about a dude who built a roller coaster in his own backyard. Not being an engineer, the man knew nothing about the physics required for a standard powerless coaster. So, he did an ingenious (but highly logical) thing:

He made the car self-propelled.

I am not a coaster enthusiast, and I don't know about the latest technologies and such regarding roller coasters, but it is my general understanding that, aside from a launch or lift mechanism, they are quite literally "coasters", in that they do not move under their own locomotive power.

So, would it not stand to reason that, if you actually powered the train, you could pull off maneuvers not possible using a standard coasting vehicle?

Ever since I read the article about the backyard roller coaster guy, I've been thinking about the implications of this at theme park scale.

Anyway...they should build a that.

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EDIT: A quick bit of research just now shows that these things do exist, but usually in small, kiddy-ride fair type configurations. I'm talking about high-powered, high speed applications.
 
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Dr. Julius Money Ed.D said:
I read an article about a dude who built a roller coaster in his own backyard. Not being an engineer, the man knew nothing about the physics required for a standard powerless coaster. So, he did an ingenious (but highly logical) thing:

He made the car self-propelled.

I am not a coaster enthusiast, and I don't know about the latest technologies and such regarding roller coasters, but it is my general understanding that, aside from a launch or lift mechanism, they are quite literally "coasters", in that they do not move under their own locomotive power.

So, would it not stand to reason that, if you actually powered the train, you could pull off maneuvers not possible using a standard coasting vehicle?

Ever since I read the article about the backyard roller coaster guy, I've been thinking about the implications of this at theme park scale.

Anyway...they should build a that.

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EDIT: A quick bit of research just now shows that these things do exist, but usually in small, kiddy-ride fair type configurations. I'm talking about high-powered, high speed applications.
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Genius.
 
destroyer421 said:
I don't think that BGW would get a wooden coaster in the near future. They like their new coasters to be innovative and have some "firsts". With Outlaw run and Texas Giant opening, there really isn't much room to innovate wooden coasters any further. They've basically reached their limit. They have inversions, speed, height, and g-force. There is literally NO WHERE ELSE for them to go.
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Maybe a wooden coaster with triple interlocking loops? :huh:
 
destroyer421 said:
I don't think that BGW would get a wooden coaster in the near future. They like their new coasters to be innovative and have some "firsts". With Outlaw run and Texas Giant opening, there really isn't much room to innovate wooden coasters any further. They've basically reached their limit. They have inversions, speed, height, and g-force. There is literally NO WHERE ELSE for them to go.
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I beg to differ. Woodies haven't been launched yet and GCI is still sitting on a woodie shuttle coaster that they're just waiting for a park to pick up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4pglhKAMaw
 
^Gravity Group's Timberliner Trains are launch capable too.

Here are the listed features from TGG's website...

Key features of the trains include:
• Single-bench design
• Shock absorption and ergonomic styling
• Unparalleled ability to smoothly navigate the track for decreased train & track maintenance
• Innovative restraint system for unsurpassed safety and security
• Restraints designed for higher throughput
• ASTM F2291 Class 5 restraint with integrated monitoring
• On-board sound system capable
• Magnetic braking capable
• Launch system capable
 
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The only thing I think about a launching wooden coaster is that it will turn out to be another Son of Beast. It will be a shot in the dark to break the record, and it will always be broken down. Then they will close it and have it sitting on usable land fore three years before they tear it down. It is a good concept, but I don't see it happening (safely) anytime soon.
The back track coaster is an awesome idea, but can you imagine how rough that would be? Some of the steel boomerang coasters are rough, so just imagine how rough a wooden one would be. Just saying.
 
Hoopla said:
The only thing I think about a launching wooden coaster is that it will turn out to be another Son of Beast. It will be a shot in the dark to break the record, and it will always be broken down. Then they will close it and have it sitting on usable land fore three years before they tear it down. It is a good concept, but I don't see it happening (safely) anytime soon.
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All of the big four woodie manufacturers (GCI, GG, RMC, and Intamin) know how to deal with high speeds now- adding a launch isn't much of a jump I wouldn't think.

Hoopla said:
The back track coaster is an awesome idea, but can you imagine how rough that would be? Some of the steel boomerang coasters are rough, so just imagine how rough a wooden one would be. Just saying.
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Vekoma Boomerangs are rough because Vekoma can't build proper coasters. I've been on some quality shuttle coasters- they're not all crappy like Boomerangs.
 
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Hoopla said:
The only thing I think about a launching wooden coaster is that it will turn out to be another Son of Beast. It will be a shot in the dark to break the record, and it will always be broken down. Then they will close it and have it sitting on usable land fore three years before they tear it down. It is a good concept, but I don't see it happening (safely) anytime soon.
The back track coaster is an awesome idea, but can you imagine how rough that would be? Some of the steel boomerang coasters are rough, so just imagine how rough a wooden one would be. Just saying.
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That's not a good assumption to make. Son of Beast was a failure because it was too ambitious. Add to the fact that no major wood coaster companies wanted to even bid for the job the park went with a very inexperienced company that used the cheapest core materials possible to make the ride. The demise was seen by reputable coaster companies before it was even built. GCI pretty much said "Hell No" to that project because they knew it would be a disaster.

A launched woodie wouldn't be too far-fetched a concept. Intamin's prefab coasters use polyurethane wheels which are the same found on steel coasters. That's why rides like El Toro and T-Express ride really smooth. They could easily apply a launch system to a prefab.
 
Unagi said:
A launched woodie wouldn't be too far-fetched a concept. Intamin's prefab coasters use polyurethane wheels which are the same found on steel coasters. That's why rides like El Toro and T-Express ride really smooth. They could easily apply a launch system to a prefab.
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I'm pretty sure Intamin would be more than happy to build a launched woodie for anyone who asked for one- seems like something they'd love to try. Knowing Intamin though, it would end up with massive problems and a reprofile job within 12 months. :p
 
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Intamin's LSM coasters are more prone to "breakdowns" because their computers need to be reset, their other rides have suffered from issues well beyond the severity of needing to reset the main computer.

As long as there's not too much force in parts of the coaster, Intamin likely will be able to build a successful launch woodie. The question is if a park is willing to bid on them when GG and GCI can do the same thing at a cheaper price.
 
Bryansworld said:
The Next type of Roller Coaster at Busch Gardens should be a Flying Coaster like Manta at Sea World Orlando, or a Wing Coaster like Gatekeeper at Cedar Point.
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No to both for me.

I wanna see something new and unique. The park has enough B&Ms.
 
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