Howl-O-Scream 2014
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PR: Porno Nights was created by Nicole, you'll have to ask her what the meaning of it is. As for me, it's a paradody name for a bad event that deserves a bad parody name. And I'm not really a child, and you have really no right calling me one, as you have no idea what my actual age is. I can guarantee you Porno is way better than the rest of the words people my age use nowadays.
As for the Howl-O-Sex excuses, I don't really care what you think, the general consensus on here and by the GP(by dropping attendance to the event), is that the event is boring, and there are better options just down the road. Sex is everywhere at the event right now. Every show contains it, Demon Street, etc. Heck, even the park's most beloved terror-Tory contains references to prostitution. You need to wake up.
As for the Howl-O-Sex excuses, I don't really care what you think, the general consensus on here and by the GP(by dropping attendance to the event), is that the event is boring, and there are better options just down the road. Sex is everywhere at the event right now. Every show contains it, Demon Street, etc. Heck, even the park's most beloved terror-Tory contains references to prostitution. You need to wake up.
There are no sex jokes in Fiends! Stop nitpicking! Just have fun!
Matthew said:
I didn't call you a child, I just said hearing it from a child. If you want to think I was referring to you, go ahead.
Matthew said:
If you have no attendance numbers, do not throw that excuse out there as a fact. I never said sex was not in the event. I said it is wrong to make up things like the cage with the cursed creature in it. That isn't sex. The wendgio in the cage in Wendigo Woods is not sex. Ripper Row, while it has prostitutes, they aren't half naked, they are much more decently dressed and they don't pose in sexual positions.
Yes there is sex in the event. Fiends is the most obvious with the naughty nurses and the Freakenstein Creation. There are sexual innuendoes in the shows, not all of them blatant and obvious. The Demon DJ does make provocative gestures. But these things do not make up the entire event. It is rather absurd to nickname it Howl-O-Sex when less than half of the listed attractions contain things of a sexual nature.
Boy do I have news for you. Please google things such as "Victorian era prostitution" or "Victorian harlot" By Victorian standards those girls are prostitutes. Just because it's not a short skirt and low top for us doesn't mean it's less indecent.Party Rocker said:
It's like putting on historical fashion. Even if the costumes are off in this case (most likely, since i doubt they did a ton of research on what prostitutes wore back then.) they still have the implied meaning of being sexual.
^ In the 19th century, even a modestly-dressed woman walking down a street without male accompaniment may have been considered a prostitute. Indecency had a very low bar in the past, especially in the Victorian era.
Way back in the good old days, before the Victorians smothered the last bit of life out of the English spirit, many towns actually had a street named, formally or informally, Gropecunt Lane...
Way back in the good old days, before the Victorians smothered the last bit of life out of the English spirit, many towns actually had a street named, formally or informally, Gropecunt Lane...
The problem isn't that the park has sexual content. The problem is when the park is more willing to have sexual content than violent or gory content, like the heads.
This is the imbalance people are talking about:
Shows:
Monster Stomp on Ripper Row: Blatant sexual content. Some blood/gore.
Fiends: Exorbitant sexual content. No blood/gore.
Night Beats: Some sexual content. No blood/gore.
Terror-tories:
Ripper Row: Blatant sexual content. Little to no blood/gore.
Demon Street: Blatant sexual content. No blood/gore.
Wendigo Woods: No blatant sexual content. Very little blood/gore.
Vampire Point: Some sexual content. No blood/gore.
Ports of Skull: Blatant sexual content. No blood/gore.
Houses:
Dead Line: No sexual content. Very little blood/gore.
Cut Throat Cove: No sexual content. Some blood/gore.
Bitten: Some sexual content. Some blood/gore.
Root of All Evil: No sexual content. Very little blood/gore.
Catacombs: No sexual content. No blood/gore.
Thirteen: No sexual content. Blood/gore.
This is further exaggerated by the fact that the park clearly only cares about the first two categories above.
Shows:
Monster Stomp on Ripper Row: Blatant sexual content. Some blood/gore.
Fiends: Exorbitant sexual content. No blood/gore.
Night Beats: Some sexual content. No blood/gore.
Terror-tories:
Ripper Row: Blatant sexual content. Little to no blood/gore.
Demon Street: Blatant sexual content. No blood/gore.
Wendigo Woods: No blatant sexual content. Very little blood/gore.
Vampire Point: Some sexual content. No blood/gore.
Ports of Skull: Blatant sexual content. No blood/gore.
Houses:
Dead Line: No sexual content. Very little blood/gore.
Cut Throat Cove: No sexual content. Some blood/gore.
Bitten: Some sexual content. Some blood/gore.
Root of All Evil: No sexual content. Very little blood/gore.
Catacombs: No sexual content. No blood/gore.
Thirteen: No sexual content. Blood/gore.
This is further exaggerated by the fact that the park clearly only cares about the first two categories above.
Since I am the one inventing these names, let me explain them both.
Porno Nights. If you go back through the thread, I commented early on that the name of the event (Star Spangled Nights) sounds like the name of a porno flick. I never said there was sexual content, although there did seem to be a certain emphasis on hot dogs (yes that was a joke). I fail to see how calling this years waste-of-money Summer event "Porno Nights" is any worse than calling last year's horror show "Illuminightmares." These are jokes meant to poke light fun at events that a majority of us would probably prefer not to see in the park at all. As we have said before, we would like some time in park without random thematic overlays and gratuitous embellishments.
Howl-O-Sex. I don't even know where to begin in addressing this. Was my post about 50 Shades of Blue a joke? Of course. But is was also satire, meant to highlight what I consider a disturbing trend I am seeing at HOS. I don't want to go down the party vs haunt rabbit hole right now. That debate has been beaten to death and probably would be an excellent prop in WinIndigo Woods at this point. Setting aside which is better or worse, I think we can agree that the park has been adding more and more party themes to the event. Along with that change, there seems to have been an exponentially higher number of sexually themed components added all over the park. I honestly don't know how anyone could miss most of these puerile displays. I am not saying they are graphic or in any way resemble a scene from Debbie Does Dallas, but sexuality can be expressed in many less obvious ways. Some examples:
Ripper Row: The entire story revolves around the Ripper violently murdering prostitutes. I don't care how they are dressed. The women walking around Banbury Cross are there to sell sexual favors by the hour to anyone with a few pence.
Killarney: All of Ireland has been given over to "Nurses" dressed up like strippers. They are in both shows; they pose with guests; and worst of all they sell jello shots in syringes. There is no way around the phallic nature of those "inoculations," especially when they are being administered by a busty girl in a skimpy, tight costume with a neckline that plunges down to reveal her sequined bra.
Demon Street: The female bartenders are in skin-tight black pleather (I think). Regardless, there is no question they are meant to look "sexy." How do those outfits add in any way to the Paris is Burning concept, except as eye candy?
These are not the only examples; just the easiest ones to identify quickly, as I am at work. I'm not saying whether the added sexuality is good or bad, I am merely observing that it has become pervasive. Additionally, I am fairly insulted that I was accused of having "dirty and inappropriate thoughts." None of this was in any way subtle. In fact, it was all fairly ham-fisted, if you ask me.
For what it is worth, since Matthew is the one who brought "Porno Nights" into this discussion, it seemed to me that you were referring to him as well. What other "child" would be using that phrase?
Porno Nights. If you go back through the thread, I commented early on that the name of the event (Star Spangled Nights) sounds like the name of a porno flick. I never said there was sexual content, although there did seem to be a certain emphasis on hot dogs (yes that was a joke). I fail to see how calling this years waste-of-money Summer event "Porno Nights" is any worse than calling last year's horror show "Illuminightmares." These are jokes meant to poke light fun at events that a majority of us would probably prefer not to see in the park at all. As we have said before, we would like some time in park without random thematic overlays and gratuitous embellishments.
Howl-O-Sex. I don't even know where to begin in addressing this. Was my post about 50 Shades of Blue a joke? Of course. But is was also satire, meant to highlight what I consider a disturbing trend I am seeing at HOS. I don't want to go down the party vs haunt rabbit hole right now. That debate has been beaten to death and probably would be an excellent prop in WinIndigo Woods at this point. Setting aside which is better or worse, I think we can agree that the park has been adding more and more party themes to the event. Along with that change, there seems to have been an exponentially higher number of sexually themed components added all over the park. I honestly don't know how anyone could miss most of these puerile displays. I am not saying they are graphic or in any way resemble a scene from Debbie Does Dallas, but sexuality can be expressed in many less obvious ways. Some examples:
Ripper Row: The entire story revolves around the Ripper violently murdering prostitutes. I don't care how they are dressed. The women walking around Banbury Cross are there to sell sexual favors by the hour to anyone with a few pence.
Killarney: All of Ireland has been given over to "Nurses" dressed up like strippers. They are in both shows; they pose with guests; and worst of all they sell jello shots in syringes. There is no way around the phallic nature of those "inoculations," especially when they are being administered by a busty girl in a skimpy, tight costume with a neckline that plunges down to reveal her sequined bra.
Demon Street: The female bartenders are in skin-tight black pleather (I think). Regardless, there is no question they are meant to look "sexy." How do those outfits add in any way to the Paris is Burning concept, except as eye candy?
These are not the only examples; just the easiest ones to identify quickly, as I am at work. I'm not saying whether the added sexuality is good or bad, I am merely observing that it has become pervasive. Additionally, I am fairly insulted that I was accused of having "dirty and inappropriate thoughts." None of this was in any way subtle. In fact, it was all fairly ham-fisted, if you ask me.
Party Rocker said:
For what it is worth, since Matthew is the one who brought "Porno Nights" into this discussion, it seemed to me that you were referring to him as well. What other "child" would be using that phrase?
Party Rocker said:
Yes. Think of the children.
Nicole said:
Oh?
Looks like I need to take another look at Banbury Crossing.
What I find interesting is the same person, who is talking about how re-naming things with humorous titles lowers our discourse, also refers to others as "children," and not without a condesending tone. The irony being that I fail to see how this is not childish.
Renaming things is a time-honored tradition. It is all part of a literary style called "satire." Speaking of literary issues, it seems to me it should not take a Lit major to see the overwhelmingly obvious imagry going on with the cage.
Finally, I have spoken, not once but twice now with Carl and both times he has gone on at length to point out how it is essentially his mission to, in his words, "make things sexier." He explained to us, that when he arrived four years ago the event was "trying to be all things to all people." He made a decision to move the event in a "sexier and scarier" direction.
Now you can argue about how things were four years ago (I personally do not think his plan of action was effective), but you can not argue with his intent.
Renaming things is a time-honored tradition. It is all part of a literary style called "satire." Speaking of literary issues, it seems to me it should not take a Lit major to see the overwhelmingly obvious imagry going on with the cage.
Finally, I have spoken, not once but twice now with Carl and both times he has gone on at length to point out how it is essentially his mission to, in his words, "make things sexier." He explained to us, that when he arrived four years ago the event was "trying to be all things to all people." He made a decision to move the event in a "sexier and scarier" direction.
Now you can argue about how things were four years ago (I personally do not think his plan of action was effective), but you can not argue with his intent.
^ Carl was probably using the word "sexier" in the extraordinarily irritating contemporary business-speak sense of "slick", sort of the way the (half) word "porn" is now used to mean "anything especially appealing".
Interesting side note: the origin of the word "porn" is Greek, πόρνη (pornē), which means prostitute. "Pornography", a word cobbled together in the 19th century from Greek words, literally means "writing about prostitutes".
Interesting side note: the origin of the word "porn" is Greek, πόρνη (pornē), which means prostitute. "Pornography", a word cobbled together in the 19th century from Greek words, literally means "writing about prostitutes".
What's the exchange rate on pences these days?
I tried looking online but to no avail.
I tried looking online but to no avail.
I too was in one of the conversations with Carl that Zimmy speaks of. Sexy and scary is where this thing is headed. If having your head in the gutter isn't your thing PR, you may want to consider skipping this event in the future. (Or invest in some gutter helmet)
As of today, one Pence Sterling (GBX) is worth .02 USD, or 2¢. In 1888, the time of the "Ripper" murders, 1 old English penny was worth the equivalent of about .50 USD (50¢) in today's money.
Mazakman said:
Oh, Mazakman, please... Think of the children. Their young, impressionable minds reading the perverted filth that has infiltrated this board. All we want is to talk about the completely wholesome, family-based HoS events that IN NO WAY ARE SEXUALLY CHARGED IN THEIR NATURE.
We deserve better than this. BGW deserves better than this.
The content at the park should clearly be banned from the forums to protect children.
Pornography is prohibited by our Rules, so the park is definitely navigating a gray area...
Sure, not their greatest album, but do we really have to ban it?