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As mentioned before, if the station is for something important like a hotel, expect regrading to happen no matter what the cost.

Also, modifying the trains is also another great solution, or simply getting all new trains would work just as well.

So far our possibilities is, regrading for a station, just a simple crossing, reverse the trains direction, modify the current trains, get new more powerful trains. Which one seems to be the biggest possibility?
 
Party Rocker said:
or simply getting all new trains would work just as well.

guess you don't know that the company who custom made the trains, crown metal works, is out of business... They would have to find a new company to make them custom trains or get used, more powerful ones from somewhere else... I just don't see that happening

Party Rocker said:
reverse the trains direction

this seems the easiest idea, the only problem with that is that the wiring of the stations would have to be redone and the trains would have to gun it across the France crossing where people have been known to run in front of the trains (this is why they slow down a lot before crossing) to make it up the hill beside RPT... But seems like the most logical idea
 
They could find another company to make new trains, that probably seems easier since you don't have to change things too much.

New idea! Re-do the entire railroad and stations. Least likely to happen, but it is possible.
 
Yeah, well changing the direction of the trains is the cheapest, and Busch, like any other company, wants to make money... They will do the cheapest option
 
Gavin said:
Gavin said:
I've attached contour maps of the area in question. The hill doesn't look too bad, its more of a very gradual incline.

All images are property of James City County, source: http://property.jccegov.com/parcelviewer/Search.aspx

*COUGH*COUGH*...Excuse me...
Gavin makes a good point with his post and that's why they picked this location for a station. Since this area doesn't change much in grade and it will will be easy to build a station here. This means all they will need to is some regarding to level out the spot where they are going to build the station, since most train stations are on flat level land.
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Party Rocker said:
or simply getting all new trains would work just as well.

guess you don't know that the company who custom made the trains, crown metal works, is out of business... They would have to find a new company to make them custom trains or get used, more powerful ones from somewhere else... I just don't see that happening

Party Rocker said:
reverse the trains direction

this seems the easiest idea, the only problem with that is that the wiring of the stations would have to be redone and the trains would have to gun it across the France crossing where people have been known to run in front of the trains (this is why they slow down a lot before crossing) to make it up the hill beside RPT... But seems like the most logical idea


I agree that reversing the direction that trains run is a smart idea. But, I don't think the station electrical needs to be redone at all. What they need to do with the electrical, is change which proximity sensor raises and lowers the crossing gates and this all done with changing the connections in the control cabinet. The other thing that they will need to do is move the block signals to the other side the track and also make a minor change in control cabinet. Since the signals are setup to go in a clockwise direction.

BTW, besides being a coaster/ theme park nerd I am also train nerd and been one for 36 years since I was 8 years old;).
 
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Frontseatbill said:
Gavin said:
Gavin said:
I've attached contour maps of the area in question. The hill doesn't look too bad, its more of a very gradual incline.

All images are property of James City County, source: http://property.jccegov.com/parcelviewer/Search.aspx

*COUGH*COUGH*...Excuse me...
Gavin makes a good point with his post and that's why they picked this location for a station. Since this area doesn't change much in grade and it will will be easy to build a station here. This means all they will need to is some regarding to level out the spot where they are going to build the station, since most train stations are on flat level land.
I was asking about the rest of the circuit. I was looking at the contour maps that Gavin posted, but wasn't able to tell for sure. For instance (and i may be completely wrong), currently when you leave festa you are going downhill ever so slightly towards the bridge, can the train climb that in the reverse direction? It seems it is all pretty flat through the rest of the area.
 
For instance (and i may be completely wrong), currently when you leave festa you are going downhill ever so slightly towards the bridge, can the train climb that in the reverse direction?
To answer your question jman89. Yes they can. The only thing they will need to do is adjust their speed determined where they are at.
 
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I think regrading would not be as bad as some people may think, it isn't a bad area at all, it can be improved to meet the right needs.
 
That's correct. The area that they need to do regrading will be the station itself, since the station area needs to be some what flat. This means the train can't roll forward or backwards on its own when the train breaks are released. This is done for safety
 
Don't forget that you have to have a significant piece of flat land after the station to get momentum up the hill
 
Logster0121 said:
Breaking News: I just found out they will be tearing down the two buildings behind Verbolten and build a new train station set to open late 2013!

That isn't too ground braking. We knew a train station was coming next year. Although, what is interesting is tearing down the Drachen Fire remains. I think we may be loosing some good Howl-o-Scream maze locations.
 
Party Rocker said:
Logster0121 said:
Breaking News: I just found out they will be tearing down the two buildings behind Verbolten and build a new train station set to open late 2013!

That isn't too ground braking. We knew a train station was coming next year. Although, what is interesting is tearing down the Drachen Fire remains. I think we may be loosing some good Howl-o-Scream maze locations.
It's going to be a bummer to loss a good maze location.

Ming Ming Duckling said:
Logster0121 said:
Breaking News: I just found out they will be tearing down the two buildings behind Verbolten and build a new train station set to open late 2013!

I'd hardly consider this breaking, but how did you find this out?
The news of a train station isn't new news to me at all. Did this person tell you that the old the Drachen Fire were being teared down.
 
This was also the person who said that the 2012 coaster would be 300ft tall...

don't mean to be Mr. Skeptical, but i will check with my railroad buddies when I go to bg today anyway... they would know before anyone else... especially if it was just released
 
Talked with a few engineers and conductors yesterday... they all said that Germany is a horrible place for a train station, and that the park would have to find a way for 100 tons to stop on a hill (not hard) then, from a stop, go up the rest of the hill (very hard)... In my eyes, I'm not seeing a train station for next year... They would have to shut down the railroad for pretty much all of HOS and CT to be ready for March 2013
 
There is zero evidence that anything is going on with the Drachen Fire buildings- in fact, the opposite true. Take that "rumor" with a massive grain of salt. Anything but "Breaking News".
 
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FAL NR OX said:
Talked with a few engineers and conductors yesterday... they all said that Germany is a horrible place for a train station, and that the park would have to find a way for 100 tons to stop on a hill (not hard) then, from a stop, go up the rest of the hill (very hard)... In my eyes, I'm not seeing a train station for next year... They would have to shut down the railroad for pretty much all of HOS and CT to be ready for March 2013
That's why I stated long ago that that this spot needs to be regraded for the same reason as your talking about. I also stated that this work can be done in a few months too, since I laid 1/2 of a mile of track at Baltimore Streetcar Museum (all volunteer trolley car museum) with other members. Now we didn't work hard, but we were able to lay and grade the new track in a few months. What mean here is a railroad contractor that does this work can do this in a few mouths in the off-season without stopping railroad during Halloween and Christmas.



Swiftman said:
There is zero evidence that anything is going on with the Drachen Fire buildings- in fact, the opposite true. Take that "rumor" with a massive grain of salt. Anything but "Breaking News".
I totally agree. We need to wait and see if any these rumors become true.
 
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