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RE: Fiends (2011 Howl-O-Scream)

To answer the better show with sexual content question, let me compare it to another HoS show in Monster Stomped Revamped.

MSR has always had a little bit of a sexual edge to it. BUT, MSR has been in a closed theater WITH warnings (plus the all-important high pumpkin rating), and MSR is a quality program. There has never been anything in MSR like the bouncing-splits (a staple of gentlemen's clubs the world over...literally the world-over...especially in Eastern Europe I can tell you), simulated masturbation, the bent-over-doggy-style-thrust "dance move", etc. I think Shafor is making a great point that I've tried to make, although maybe not quite as well. That is simply this: what the heck is this crap doing at Busch Gardens, anyway? It's so low-brow. You can do sexy without being so raunchy, and you can do it in the context of a better show and you can DEFINITELY do it away from the eyes of young teenagers.

It's one thing to have some scanty dress and some sexual themes. It's quite another to call out teenage girls in the audience and then act like you're jerking it.
 
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Putting aside the sexual content/kids issue and talking strictly about the "show" itself, is there anyone here who likes the show and can give some feedback on what exactly it is you like?
 
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I don' know... aside from show quality, I can't think of a reason not to have have that content during halloween, a time when those outfits are the norm. I do think they could class up the sex a bit.
 
RE: Fiends (2011 Howl-O-Scream)

Best argument in support of the show from FB:

" sooner or later you will have to explain where babies come from !"

I can picture it now: "You see little Johnny, when a werewolf and a nurse love each other very very much, he rubs himself with an dismembered hand then dry humps her from behind and...poof, they make a baby!"
 
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RE: Fiends (2011 Howl-O-Scream)

studiopzp said:
I don' know... aside from show quality, I can't think of a reason not to have have that content during halloween, a time when those outfits are the norm. I do think they could class up the sex a bit.
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Not trying to be a jerk, but I have two questions.

1. How old are you?
2. When did you get he idea that Halloween was not a holiday for children?

The reason I ask is because last October, I watched a documentary on Halloween where one of the main points was the growth of Halloween celebrations in recent years. Basically, the doc claimed that Halloween has recently undergone a transition to an adults' holiday, after nearly a century as a very kid-focused tradition (trick or treating and costuming being the main corner-stones of this kid-oriented celebration). The larger context of the whole thing was how since the mid-80's, and especially since the mid 90's, people who have grown up in those periods don't do what adults of the past did -- which was to mostly stop doing the types of things they did as kids when they got older. Halloween celebrations (and spending) in the U.S. have increased since those times as people who were kids in those periods simply continued the celebrations into their adult years. One of the downsides to this, according to the documentary, was that there are fewer houses participating in handing out candy for trick-or-treaters, as that role in the past was filled by adults, who nowadays are more likely to be out at their own costume parties, etc.

Now, I would be lying if I didn't say that part of what bothers me about the "go adult" attitude towards Howl-O-Scream didn't have something to do with my resentment towards this shift, mostly because I would couple this with other recent articles out there that talk about how the "state-of-adulthood" in our country is sorely lacking, as grown-up kids continue their video-gaming, comic book reading, trick-or-treating into their over-18 lives. Mostly though, I just wanted to get a feel for why you feel that Halloween is an adult holiday, when I have a very different attitude towards the whole thing.
 
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studiopzp said:
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Are you f****** serious?
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I don't think he means "How old are you?" in a condescending way. I think he trying to put your age in perspective with the trend he was describing. If you're 50 vs 20 and how that impacts your perception of Halloween.
 
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Shafor said:
Putting aside the sexual content/kids issue and talking strictly about the "show" itself, is there anyone here who likes the show and can give some feedback on what exactly it is you like?
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Now, I only watched Swiftman's video, but that's what I expect in a Halloween show. Great music, a cohesive theme, high energy and an all around fun atmosphere. Fiends is way better than that garbage known as 'Frankenrock' from last year. I now need to see the show in person.

On a side note: the nurse outfits aren't much worse that high school cheerleader uniforms.
 
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RE: Fiends (2011 Howl-O-Scream)

There has been a lot of social commentary in the past 10 years or so specifically about how more and more adults are celebrating Halloween.

(Thread officially derailed BTW ;) )
 
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DoctorMoneyMD said:
Not trying to be a jerk, but I have two questions.

1. How old are you?
2. When did you get he idea that Halloween was not a holiday for children?

The reason I ask is because last October, I watched a documentary on Halloween where one of the main points was the growth of Halloween celebrations in recent years. Basically, the doc claimed that Halloween has recently undergone a transition to an adults' holiday, after nearly a century as a very kid-focused tradition (trick or treating and costuming being the main corner-stones of this kid-oriented celebration). The larger context of the whole thing was how since the mid-80's, and especially since the mid 90's, people who have grown up in those periods don't do what adults of the past did -- which was to mostly stop doing the types of things they did as kids when they got older. Halloween celebrations (and spending) in the U.S. have increased since those times as people who were kids in those periods simply continued the celebrations into their adult years. One of the downsides to this, according to the documentary, was that there are fewer houses participating in handing out candy for trick-or-treaters, as that role in the past was filled by adults, who nowadays are more likely to be out at their own costume parties, etc.

Now, I would be lying if I didn't say that part of what bothers me about the "go adult" attitude towards Howl-O-Scream didn't have something to do with my resentment towards this shift, mostly because I would couple this with other recent articles out there that talk about how the "state-of-adulthood" in our country is sorely lacking, as grown-up kids continue their video-gaming, comic book reading, trick-or-treating into their over-18 lives. Mostly though, I just wanted to get a feel for why you feel that Halloween is an adult holiday, when I have a very different attitude towards the whole thing.
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You're a bit mistaken on your outlook there. First off, I'm 19 and have gone through/done more than anyone else I know, including those much older than I am. Taking an age group and throwing a sterotype on it, makes everything you say null. Now, I don't know if you get out much, but video games are mainstream now. I know elders like to think things don't change, but they do. Also, if Microsoft is handing out free xbox's to college student (18+) then there's a good chance there's a reason behind that.

Now, on topic. Halloween has become an event everyone can enjoy in multiple ways. Kids can trick-or-treat, college students can get wasted with an excuse, and parents get to enjoy a time with their kids. I really don't see the issue with catering to young ones during the day, then adults at night. If from what i'm hearing is true, and guest are now warned about an event more than just on the map, then great. Still doesn't excuse the fact that Busch clearly stated to view events before taking your children to them.
 
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studiopzp said:
The gist of the article seemed to be that adults who enjoy halloween are man children.
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Oh. No, that's not what I was getting at. That was part of the backstory of the question, but I didn't mean to imply that.

All I was looking for out of you was trying to see if you'd always thought of Halloween as an adult holiday, because you have stated a few times that you see it as a holiday that's not for kids (or not mostly for kids) and I don't see it that way. I was just trying to get a feel for your perspective on that. Didn't mean anything by it, and I apologize for that if it seemed that way.
 
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ktmdavid229 said:
Taking an age group and throwing a sterotype on it, makes everything you say null.
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That's fine. But remember, that also applies to everyone on here who lump all "parents" and "children" into the same groups.
 
RE: Fiends (2011 Howl-O-Scream)

ktmdavid229 said:
Now, I don't know if you get out much, but video games are mainstream now. I know elders like to think things don't change, but they do. Also, if Microsoft is handing out free xbox's to college student (18+) then there's a good chance there's a reason behind that.
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{I know this is non-Halloween material here, but I have to answer this} Yes. I know that. That was kind of the point of the statement of the article I was talking about. Not sure what you're getting at here. :huh:

Halloween has become an event everyone can enjoy in multiple ways. Kids can trick-or-treat, college students can get wasted with an excuse, and parents get to enjoy a time with their kids.
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I agree with this. My question is more to whether someone perceives Halloween as primarily an adult holiday. I see it as like 60% for kids, 40% for grown ups. So when someone says "We need to promote more things like this years' Fiends show to bring BGW in line with Halloween," it makes me scratch my head.
 
RE: Fiends (2011 Howl-O-Scream)

Back on topic.

After seeing it twice more (after filming that video), I'm going to go ahead and call my video terribly misleading. You don't see any of the things I have a problem with in my video. If the show was just like that video, I wouldn't have a single problem with it. I'll take another one (probably next time I get up there) to show what we're talking about. Grinding, dry-humping, mock-masturbation, mock-groping, spanking, and reaching up skirts is what I've seen so far out of that show.
 
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RE: Fiends (2011 Howl-O-Scream)

DoctorMoneyMD said:
{I know this is non-Halloween material here, but I have to answer this} Yes. I know that. That was kind of the point of the statement of the article I was talking about. Not sure what you're getting at here. :huh:
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It was more the way you were questioning someone's age due to what they think. That's all.
 
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