Festa Italia Renovation/Retheme

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They could retheme it to be Spain...THAT would call for some OUTSTANDING food & area theming, wouldn't it? :D
 
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Pretzel Kaiser said:
Pretty much this. Roman Rapids should go as well, it's sitting on so much space.
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Get rid of what? Roman Rapids is sweet. I've not been in a couple years, but in my past experience, on hot summer days...that thing was packed.

Does a place even count as a theme park without a rapids ride?
 
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Here are the problems I have with Roman Rapids:

  • It's a mediocre rapids ride to begin with.
  • It uses up a rather massive chunk of land.
  • Its location blocks the use of the land all around it
  • Roman Rapids isn't exactly a people-magnet. The back of Festa needs an e-ticket to draw traffic and increase the profitability of the shops and La Cucina.
  • A ride with such a short operating season doesn't fit with the park's heavily rumored/leaked plans for year-round operation.

Lastly, and perhaps most importantly, in my honest opinion, removing Roman Rapids is essential to a Festa Italia retheme (which, as far as I can tell, we all agree is a must within the next decade). In order for a rethemed hamlet to be marketable the park would have to open it with a signature e-ticket attraction. Roman Rapids is sitting on basically the only land available for a major darkride or new coaster.
 
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That is very well reasoned. But you're forgetting one thing:

I like Roman Rapids.

Seriously though, while I agree that Festa could be rethemed, generally speaking all that means to me is plussing the existing theme. I mean, San Marco is not a large area, and there's nothing there, really (unless you count fair rides as attractions). If you changed Festa into not-Italy, then your remaining Italy would be somewhat unremarkable. Apollo's Chariot is in Festa, btw, and I think that's a pretty big attraction.

I agree, there should be more to do "back there" (which is pretty much how I think of it, lol), I wonder if that couldn't be accomplished by just making the whole space prettier and not look like a bunch of un-Italian tents and stuff.

All of this does not apply if your Pompeii hamlet idea gets done. In that case, I think it's cool to make it not-Italy. BUT THE RAPIDS STAY. Retheme? Sure.
 
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I think something needs to be done with that area.

My 2 cents: keep the theme and add a ride or re-purpose some real estate (probably by ousting the rapids).

Something should be done, regardless.
 
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I understand Zachary's points. I really do. And think they are valid. But I can't help but like a water ride, especially the rapids. It takes me back to being a child going to Six Flags Over Georgia. Thunder River it was called. I...just...love...it!! Roman Rapids may be mediocre for a rapids ride, but sometimes you don't control who, or what, you fall in love with. :blush:
 
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If Roman Rapids stayed in a theoretical retheme of Festa Italiana where do you all propose the area's new e-ticket should be located?
 
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I actually like Rapids. It's a fun ride to do with your friends on a hot day.

Its location blocks the use of the land all around it
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There isn't that much land to work with back there anyway. Other than Rapids and Fear Fair, you still have the grazing area (which isn't gonna be a location for a new ride if the park knows what its doing) and a few maintenance roads. Nothing else.

A ride with such a short operating season doesn't fit with the park's heavily rumored/leaked plans for year-round operation.
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Short operating season or not, peak season is still in summer and that's when it gets the longest lines anyway. The other water rides rarely get lines when its cold too. Doesn't mean the park should take them out.

Festa itself is already pretty short on space/uses huge buildings for tiny rides. Scrap all those tents and move the rides closer to Pompeii. That should free up room for another signature attraction.

Or instead of focusing on a major coaster/dark ride that already takes up tons of room, how about a flat ride instead? Those are far cheaper and don't take up tons of room, yet still draw a crowd. Save the dark rides and coasters for other expansions (Spain anyone?).
 
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I would be more willing to want to keep it if looked better and was a good rapids. It's not so I think there can be much better options available
 
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Zachary said:
If Roman Rapids stayed in a theoretical retheme of Festa Italiana where do you all propose the area's new e-ticket should be located?
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Why does it need a new e-ticket? Isn't Apollo in Festa as it is?
 
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Doc Dollars said:
Why does it need a new e-ticket? Isn't Apollo in Festa as it is?
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Sure it's enough for Festa but it's not enough to justify pouring a ton of cash into redoing the area. I don't know anyone outside of the enthusiast community who would buy a ticket just to see a rethemed hamlet. In order to make it marketable, there has to be a headlining centerpiece attraction. "Hey, we completely renovated Festa Italia" isn't marketable. "Hey, we added a massive new attraction and rethemed an entire area around it" is.

Additionally, I have little to no faith in the ability of the park's current leadership to make any real meaningful changes to a hamlet. They'll add white paint, a handful of columns, and a sign that says Greece. We'll still be left with the same awful hamlet we've always had with its horrid train station, faded pavilions, in-your-face games, and zero natural beauty. The only way I see a Festa retheme turning out right is if corporate's creative team and budget is involved and, to get corporate involved, there has to be an e-ticket. If there's not, all of this is in Scott's hands which is, frankly, terrifying.
 
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I think Zachary's reasoning is a 1999 B&M is not going to draw in as many people to a rethemed hamlet than lets say a 1999 B&M and an awesome Oceaneering Dark Ride or a MACK Roller Coaster than interacts with Apollo or something else entirely.
 
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I must confess...

I just did a google maps walk-through of Festa Italia and realized that I have not been inspired to drag myself back through the "hamlet" in over 5 years.

In light of this realization, I will admit that Zachary is probably right. So, I apologize, Zachary. You're right, again.

EDIT: Map removed for gross inaccuracy.
 
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I think you put "Gone" on top of Tradewinds, the flat ride, also your yellow box is overlapping with the Rail Road.
 
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Doc Dollars said:
The yellow area is where I would build a new Revenge of the Mummy-esque dark-ride.
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I hate to do this but in the area you outlined there's no where near enough room for a Revenge of the Mummy-style darkride. In fact, Mummy's show building is basically larger than the entire Festa hamlet. Even a darkride with a show building the size of DarKastle's is about double the size of what you outlined plus you'd then have to add even more room for a queue and whatnot. While there would technically be room on the other side of the tracks for something the size of DarKastle, that eliminates the fields the park needs for the highland stables animals to graze and whatnot. I don't want to seem like I'm shooting down ideas but I honestly don't see an alternative here. :-/
 
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The only way to really add things without getting rid of anything important is to expand into the Fear Fair area. Fear Fair takes up a lot of room and there is still additional room behind it. Yes, they would have to get rid of Fear Fair, but I don't consider that "important".
 
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Zachary said:
Doc Dollars said:
The yellow area is where I would build a new Revenge of the Mummy-esque dark-ride.
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I hate to do this but in the area you outlined there's no where near enough room for a Revenge of the Mummy-style darkride. In fact, Mummy's show building is basically larger than the entire Festa hamlet. Even a darkride with a show building the size of DarKastle's is about double the size of what you outlined plus you'd then have to add even more room for a queue and whatnot. While there would technically be room on the other side of the tracks for something the size of DarKastle, that eliminates the fields the park needs for the highland stables animals to graze and whatnot. I don't want to seem like I'm shooting down ideas but I honestly don't see an alternative here. :-/
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Man...you're all over me. Hahaha.

Alright....well....hmmmm...could you push the yellow area back to the other side of both the tracks and the service road and build a bridge, then build the new attraction on the other side in the area where the stables are? Or is there nowhere else the stables could be relocated?

I just don't want to get rid of Roman Rapids, haha.

Alright...just did the measurements in google earth...

The Mummy building is approx. 400 ft x 275 ft.

The DarKastle building is approx. 350 ft. x 175 ft. including the outdoor queue.

The yellow box I drew was approx. 350 ft. x 180 ft. even if you start on the back side of the railroad tracks.

Would that not be plenty of room for a dark ride?

:huh:
 
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