RE: Entwined: Tales of Good and Grimm (2012 to Present)
I actually liked it though.
justpassingthrough said:
I actually liked it though.
Entwined: Tales of Good & Grimm
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RE: Entwined: Tales of Good and Grimm (2012 to Present)
Considering he just got personal with me, here you go! I am proud of myself for fitting on all the rides because I worked my butt off to lose the weight!! I have lost 66 pounds since last season! I take all of the responsibility for the fact that I got fat, and I am doing something about it! You call us terrible people for having opinions, yet, you come here, to a place we like to "hang out" and start personally bashing us? Unless you are a part of Entwined, then this is not a personal attack on you! What do you think forums are for? Bitching about stuff!!! I am sure you will find better company somewhere else, since our opinions offend you so much! I was in musical theater for a long time, and not some theme park shows either! I know how hard they work, no one knocked the cast, just the people responsible for making it happen! YOU are an EVIL person Dr. Freakenstein!
And to add, we are not cyberbullies, we did not say anything personal on anyone, YOU DID!!!
justpassingthrough said:
Considering he just got personal with me, here you go! I am proud of myself for fitting on all the rides because I worked my butt off to lose the weight!! I have lost 66 pounds since last season! I take all of the responsibility for the fact that I got fat, and I am doing something about it! You call us terrible people for having opinions, yet, you come here, to a place we like to "hang out" and start personally bashing us? Unless you are a part of Entwined, then this is not a personal attack on you! What do you think forums are for? Bitching about stuff!!! I am sure you will find better company somewhere else, since our opinions offend you so much! I was in musical theater for a long time, and not some theme park shows either! I know how hard they work, no one knocked the cast, just the people responsible for making it happen! YOU are an EVIL person Dr. Freakenstein!
And to add, we are not cyberbullies, we did not say anything personal on anyone, YOU DID!!!
RE: Entwined: Tales of Good and Grimm (2012 to Present)
I think you missed the purpose of this web site. It is BY FANS FOR FANS. It is full of enthusiasts who have lots of opinions. Some good, some bad, and yes, some kinda extreme. This is a community which provides information about Busch Gardens. In general, it is very accurate. On occasion, there are disagreements and HUGE debates about something that people feel passionately about in some way or the other. We also have a lot of smart-a$$es who provide the others with laughs and OMG moments. Feel free to turn on your sarcasm detector. Try and have a sense of humor. And most of all, assuming Zachary is correct, get used to criticism. If you are going to be part of a company whose purpose is to entertain a large variety of people, you are going to get a lot of different reactions to whatever you do. Not everyone is going to like the shows, rides, etc. Much of the criticism is constructive, and yes, some may be harsh. If you are going to be a professional entertainer, act professional. Take criticism for what it is...opinions. Sticks and stones, right? Rise above it and do your thing as best as you can while enjoying yourself.
Now with that being said, I haven't seen where anyone here made any personal attacks on the entertainers. I think I can safely speak for everyone when I say we have nothing but respect for the people who work hard on these shows. They are talented people who are performing a service. The only attacks I see originated from your post. We have some BIG fans here who should be congratulated for their desire to trim down to enjoy more offerings of the park (including myself). It is a huge motivator. Yes, many of us have kids. I will assume that your comments on this subject were directed at me. My daughter IS my life and I would do anything for her, including sitting through shows that SUCK. How dare you attempt to make it seem like she is being subjected to be taught bullying by her parent. I suggest you read your own post again and rethink your statements. And if you have any doubt of my backbone, I am easy to spot in a crowd. I tower over everyone at 6'5" and am usually wearing shorts and sunglasses. I am often found near the front part of the stage in the Festahus, regardless of whatever show is playing. I would be happy to speak to you or any of the actors about the show. I will congratulate you on your performance, and tell you how much my daughter loves the show. If you wish, I will then tell you that I think it is a travesty. I said this directly to the VP of entertainment the other day, I will certainly not hold back from overly sensitive actors.
I have been as eloquent as I can with my response to your ridiculous post. I now suggest you TREAD CAREFULLY when talking about someone's children. Now **** ***!!
EDIT:
Apologies for my blatant potty mouth. In an attempt to set a good example, I decided to censor myself.
To whom it may concern,justpassingthrough said:
I think you missed the purpose of this web site. It is BY FANS FOR FANS. It is full of enthusiasts who have lots of opinions. Some good, some bad, and yes, some kinda extreme. This is a community which provides information about Busch Gardens. In general, it is very accurate. On occasion, there are disagreements and HUGE debates about something that people feel passionately about in some way or the other. We also have a lot of smart-a$$es who provide the others with laughs and OMG moments. Feel free to turn on your sarcasm detector. Try and have a sense of humor. And most of all, assuming Zachary is correct, get used to criticism. If you are going to be part of a company whose purpose is to entertain a large variety of people, you are going to get a lot of different reactions to whatever you do. Not everyone is going to like the shows, rides, etc. Much of the criticism is constructive, and yes, some may be harsh. If you are going to be a professional entertainer, act professional. Take criticism for what it is...opinions. Sticks and stones, right? Rise above it and do your thing as best as you can while enjoying yourself.
Now with that being said, I haven't seen where anyone here made any personal attacks on the entertainers. I think I can safely speak for everyone when I say we have nothing but respect for the people who work hard on these shows. They are talented people who are performing a service. The only attacks I see originated from your post. We have some BIG fans here who should be congratulated for their desire to trim down to enjoy more offerings of the park (including myself). It is a huge motivator. Yes, many of us have kids. I will assume that your comments on this subject were directed at me. My daughter IS my life and I would do anything for her, including sitting through shows that SUCK. How dare you attempt to make it seem like she is being subjected to be taught bullying by her parent. I suggest you read your own post again and rethink your statements. And if you have any doubt of my backbone, I am easy to spot in a crowd. I tower over everyone at 6'5" and am usually wearing shorts and sunglasses. I am often found near the front part of the stage in the Festahus, regardless of whatever show is playing. I would be happy to speak to you or any of the actors about the show. I will congratulate you on your performance, and tell you how much my daughter loves the show. If you wish, I will then tell you that I think it is a travesty. I said this directly to the VP of entertainment the other day, I will certainly not hold back from overly sensitive actors.
I have been as eloquent as I can with my response to your ridiculous post. I now suggest you TREAD CAREFULLY when talking about someone's children. Now **** ***!!
EDIT:
Apologies for my blatant potty mouth. In an attempt to set a good example, I decided to censor myself.
RE: Entwined: Tales of Good and Grimm (2012 to Present)
I was contemplating deleting this string or hiding them. I know what was said by justpassingthrough was rude and uncalled for, but I feel that deleting this series of posts will detract from the points being made. ChickenKing and cotnoutlaw had a right to stand up for themselves and I think that this series of posts shows how strong of a community we have at ParkFans/BGWFans. I'm going to leave the posts as they are as a testament to this community and how it can pull together in the face of opposition.
It's like coming into a Marvel Super Hero's forum and reading people's opinions about the Captain America Movie or The Avengers. You known when you come into that website that you are joining a group of people who will have strong opinions about how their beloved characters are treated by Hollywood. Not everyone agrees. But coming into a place like this you should expect strong opinions. People are passionate about Busch Gardens here. That in no way discounts the work that the cast and crew of Avengers put into their movie, or in to Entwined.
I've said it time and time again that I truly like the new Entwined but I did not resort to name calling anyone that disliked it. I am very good friends with Zachary, and we have extremely different views on how the park should be run and our opinions of things in and around the park, but at no time do we resort to name calling and at no time will name calling he tolerated in this community. Moving forward I do not want to see anything like this happen again and the posts will be deleted.
Now lets take a step back and get back to the core of this thread. Discussion about "Entwined: The Tales of Good and Grimm."
That is all.
I was contemplating deleting this string or hiding them. I know what was said by justpassingthrough was rude and uncalled for, but I feel that deleting this series of posts will detract from the points being made. ChickenKing and cotnoutlaw had a right to stand up for themselves and I think that this series of posts shows how strong of a community we have at ParkFans/BGWFans. I'm going to leave the posts as they are as a testament to this community and how it can pull together in the face of opposition.
It's like coming into a Marvel Super Hero's forum and reading people's opinions about the Captain America Movie or The Avengers. You known when you come into that website that you are joining a group of people who will have strong opinions about how their beloved characters are treated by Hollywood. Not everyone agrees. But coming into a place like this you should expect strong opinions. People are passionate about Busch Gardens here. That in no way discounts the work that the cast and crew of Avengers put into their movie, or in to Entwined.
I've said it time and time again that I truly like the new Entwined but I did not resort to name calling anyone that disliked it. I am very good friends with Zachary, and we have extremely different views on how the park should be run and our opinions of things in and around the park, but at no time do we resort to name calling and at no time will name calling he tolerated in this community. Moving forward I do not want to see anything like this happen again and the posts will be deleted.
Now lets take a step back and get back to the core of this thread. Discussion about "Entwined: The Tales of Good and Grimm."
That is all.
RE: Entwined: Tales of Good and Grimm (2012 to Present)
I would also like to point out that I had a similar opinion of last Fall's Night Beats. As time went on it grew on me. By the end of Howl-O-Scream it became one of my favorite shows. Will that happen with Entwined v3? Only time will tell. That is why these threads are on-going. You are likely to see opinions evolve and change, along with the show itself.
BTW, there are plenty of "WELL-ROUNDED" people here. It is a shame you are going to miss out.
I would also like to point out that I had a similar opinion of last Fall's Night Beats. As time went on it grew on me. By the end of Howl-O-Scream it became one of my favorite shows. Will that happen with Entwined v3? Only time will tell. That is why these threads are on-going. You are likely to see opinions evolve and change, along with the show itself.
BTW, there are plenty of "WELL-ROUNDED" people here. It is a shame you are going to miss out.
RE: Entwined: Tales of Good and Grimm (2012 to Present)
Is this like Scott's mom or something? jeez.
Is this like Scott's mom or something? jeez.
RE: Entwined: Tales of Good and Grimm (2012 to Present)
This was added to my reputation today:
"justpassingthrough (0) - Last updated Today, 02:08 AM
Negative (-1): all around negative person. I feel sorry for you and you children"
I am both amazed and humbled that my reviews may have caused such strong reactions. Anyways...
I came up with a visual that may help to describe this show:
Remember these?
Now try and put the square block through the round hole.
That is Entwined v3!
This was added to my reputation today:
"justpassingthrough (0) - Last updated Today, 02:08 AM
Negative (-1): all around negative person. I feel sorry for you and you children"
I am both amazed and humbled that my reviews may have caused such strong reactions. Anyways...
I came up with a visual that may help to describe this show:
Remember these?
Now try and put the square block through the round hole.
That is Entwined v3!
RE: Entwined: Tales of Good and Grimm (2012 to Present)
Removed.
chickenking said:
Removed.
RE: Entwined: Tales of Good and Grimm (2012 to Present)
Okay now I will start us on getting back on topic. Anyway I haven't posted my opinion about this show. I think it is not worth your time to watch it. Here is what I do when the show is playing leave my cousins with my mom and let them watch the show while I go get the food while they watch the show. I really don't like the story of the show, and I also hate the set it has set up I just think it looks so artificial. It is almost like they didn't even try on the themeing. I really don't think that entwined will be here next year if This Is Oktoberfest keeps on triumphing over it in views. So that is my OPINION!
Okay now I will start us on getting back on topic. Anyway I haven't posted my opinion about this show. I think it is not worth your time to watch it. Here is what I do when the show is playing leave my cousins with my mom and let them watch the show while I go get the food while they watch the show. I really don't like the story of the show, and I also hate the set it has set up I just think it looks so artificial. It is almost like they didn't even try on the themeing. I really don't think that entwined will be here next year if This Is Oktoberfest keeps on triumphing over it in views. So that is my OPINION!
RE: Entwined: Tales of Good and Grimm (2012 to Present)
Ok, well I rather liked the show. I'm sure I'll go back the next time I'm in the park.
I must be way off, I thought the stage looked amazing... Ah well, to each his own.
Ok, well I rather liked the show. I'm sure I'll go back the next time I'm in the park.
JuniorBGWfan28 said:
I must be way off, I thought the stage looked amazing... Ah well, to each his own.
RE: Entwined: Tales of Good and Grimm (2012 to Present)
I think it's interesting that there's a lot of different opinions on the show. I also liked the set A LOT.
I think it's interesting that there's a lot of different opinions on the show. I also liked the set A LOT.
RE: Entwined: Tales of Good and Grimm (2012 to Present)
I won't get to the park until summer, but I watched the video now because I'm a huge fan of the park and theme park shows in general. I've been visiting BGW since 1991, and I love Broadway shows and theme parks in general. I liked last year's Entwined, but I could tell that the audience wasn't reacting to it the way they should have. They were applauding politely but not enthusiastically.
After watching this new show on Youtube, think most people here are being overly harsh. I rather enjoyed the show, I imagine I'll enjoy it more in person, and from what I could tell the audience seemed to appreciate it much more than last year. I liked the mix of unknown songs with pop songs. It's great to hear obscure theater songs like Suppertime from Snoopy: The Musical get a new life. I liked the quirky modernization of classic characters, the infusion of a modern tale into an old style fairy tale, and I liked the humor and the campiness of it all.
The biggest problem is the same as last year's version of Entwined, and that is that the venue is not appropriate to a Broadway style show with a plot. The show is much better suited for the Globe Theater. I imagine it's difficult to eat and follow the show at the same time, but that's a non-issue for me because we always watch a show there intently, then eat afterwards or not at all.
I can see why it's not what many people expect for the Festhaus, but the audience in the video seemed to like it, even clapping along with the rhythm during the curtain call. That only happens when people are having fun.
It's certainly not a show for those with mainstream expectations. It's strange, it's weird, and as I said, it's campy and quirky, but for those reasons I enjoyed it. I feel like it's like Xanadu, a show that people love to hate because it's so weird but has a great cult following because it's just plain fun and happy.
The show isn't without problems because it needs to be a show with broad appeal for a generalized audience. If opinions on this board are reflective of others, then the show is in trouble. Over the course of its run we'll see how the general public reacts, but I think it will be more popular than last year's Entwined.
I won't get to the park until summer, but I watched the video now because I'm a huge fan of the park and theme park shows in general. I've been visiting BGW since 1991, and I love Broadway shows and theme parks in general. I liked last year's Entwined, but I could tell that the audience wasn't reacting to it the way they should have. They were applauding politely but not enthusiastically.
After watching this new show on Youtube, think most people here are being overly harsh. I rather enjoyed the show, I imagine I'll enjoy it more in person, and from what I could tell the audience seemed to appreciate it much more than last year. I liked the mix of unknown songs with pop songs. It's great to hear obscure theater songs like Suppertime from Snoopy: The Musical get a new life. I liked the quirky modernization of classic characters, the infusion of a modern tale into an old style fairy tale, and I liked the humor and the campiness of it all.
The biggest problem is the same as last year's version of Entwined, and that is that the venue is not appropriate to a Broadway style show with a plot. The show is much better suited for the Globe Theater. I imagine it's difficult to eat and follow the show at the same time, but that's a non-issue for me because we always watch a show there intently, then eat afterwards or not at all.
I can see why it's not what many people expect for the Festhaus, but the audience in the video seemed to like it, even clapping along with the rhythm during the curtain call. That only happens when people are having fun.
It's certainly not a show for those with mainstream expectations. It's strange, it's weird, and as I said, it's campy and quirky, but for those reasons I enjoyed it. I feel like it's like Xanadu, a show that people love to hate because it's so weird but has a great cult following because it's just plain fun and happy.
The show isn't without problems because it needs to be a show with broad appeal for a generalized audience. If opinions on this board are reflective of others, then the show is in trouble. Over the course of its run we'll see how the general public reacts, but I think it will be more popular than last year's Entwined.
RE: Entwined: Tales of Good and Grimm (2012 to Present)
Yea I agree mostly with you gardener14. It's weird and that is all there is to it. I personally think they tried to appeal to people who watch those WIERD shows on Nickelodeon, and Cartoon Network. I may be wrong, but I think this is what they were trying to do, and it was an epic fail. For those of you who don't know what cartoons I'm talking about, let me just say these shows contain stupid, weird, and disgusting humor. And these Cartoons aren't even popular. I just think That they cant take a fairy tale and turn it into something WIERD!
Also, about what you said about it would fit in the Globe better. Well yes the stage would be A LOT better in the Globe. However, Fairy Tales usually take place in or around the Black Forest which is in Germany. So I don't think it would go with England's theme. Also, You are very right about how the set does not fit in with the Festhaus stage. That is what I was trying to say in my last post. But at least they put the show in the right place.
Again the statements I my last post still stand, The stage does not look good, especially on one that has two sides. I really do not like the story of the show. And finally, if "This Is Oktoberfest" keeps on triumphing over Entwined in reviews than it most likely will not be here next year.
Yea I agree mostly with you gardener14. It's weird and that is all there is to it. I personally think they tried to appeal to people who watch those WIERD shows on Nickelodeon, and Cartoon Network. I may be wrong, but I think this is what they were trying to do, and it was an epic fail. For those of you who don't know what cartoons I'm talking about, let me just say these shows contain stupid, weird, and disgusting humor. And these Cartoons aren't even popular. I just think That they cant take a fairy tale and turn it into something WIERD!
Also, about what you said about it would fit in the Globe better. Well yes the stage would be A LOT better in the Globe. However, Fairy Tales usually take place in or around the Black Forest which is in Germany. So I don't think it would go with England's theme. Also, You are very right about how the set does not fit in with the Festhaus stage. That is what I was trying to say in my last post. But at least they put the show in the right place.
Again the statements I my last post still stand, The stage does not look good, especially on one that has two sides. I really do not like the story of the show. And finally, if "This Is Oktoberfest" keeps on triumphing over Entwined in reviews than it most likely will not be here next year.
RE: Entwined: Tales of Good and Grimm (2012 to Present)
What I meant is that this style of a show would work better in a proscenium style theater than a theater-in-the-round, not that it should take place in England.
What reviews are you referring to? I really don't think the fan base here can give a subjective review because I think most people here are looking for an Octoberfest style show and won't accept something so dramatically different, especially a Broadway style, plot-based show. The general public's reaction is a far better gauge of the shows success. Is there a series of reviews from outsiders in which the Octoberfest show is "triumphing" over Entwined?
Finally, at least from the video and pictures I've seen, I think the set looks phenomenal. It suits the Festhaus and its "outdoor" setting perfectly, and it's much more interesting than the flat and exposed stage of last year.
As for comments about the disco balls not working, I don't think they are meant to be truly functional. I think they are meant to be prop pieces to add to the theme and effect of the finale set to Dancing Queen. They're not only appropriate to the song, but their visual presence among the fairy tale setting seems intentionally ironic and part of the personality of the show, along with everything else that gives the show a quirky campy humor.
JuniorBGWfan28 said:
What I meant is that this style of a show would work better in a proscenium style theater than a theater-in-the-round, not that it should take place in England.
JuniorBGWfan28 said:
What reviews are you referring to? I really don't think the fan base here can give a subjective review because I think most people here are looking for an Octoberfest style show and won't accept something so dramatically different, especially a Broadway style, plot-based show. The general public's reaction is a far better gauge of the shows success. Is there a series of reviews from outsiders in which the Octoberfest show is "triumphing" over Entwined?
Finally, at least from the video and pictures I've seen, I think the set looks phenomenal. It suits the Festhaus and its "outdoor" setting perfectly, and it's much more interesting than the flat and exposed stage of last year.
As for comments about the disco balls not working, I don't think they are meant to be truly functional. I think they are meant to be prop pieces to add to the theme and effect of the finale set to Dancing Queen. They're not only appropriate to the song, but their visual presence among the fairy tale setting seems intentionally ironic and part of the personality of the show, along with everything else that gives the show a quirky campy humor.
RE: Entwined: Tales of Good and Grimm (2012 to Present)
Gardener, you have articulated exactly how I feel about Entwined. My original beef with Entwined last year was the venue, this year I let it go and just accepted it. Because of that, I truly enjoyed the show for all the reasons you stated.
Gardener, you have articulated exactly how I feel about Entwined. My original beef with Entwined last year was the venue, this year I let it go and just accepted it. Because of that, I truly enjoyed the show for all the reasons you stated.
RE: Entwined: Tales of Good and Grimm (2012 to Present)
^And part of the problem with the venue last year was not only being in the round, but being a huge venue with an audience that was partly distracted by eating, both issues are problematic for a show that often focused on solo performances and storyline. Although I haven't seen this new version in person, I get the impression that the scale and scope of the production (sets, staging, and performance) has been expanded to help alleviate some of these issues.
^And part of the problem with the venue last year was not only being in the round, but being a huge venue with an audience that was partly distracted by eating, both issues are problematic for a show that often focused on solo performances and storyline. Although I haven't seen this new version in person, I get the impression that the scale and scope of the production (sets, staging, and performance) has been expanded to help alleviate some of these issues.
RE: Entwined: Tales of Good and Grimm (2012 to Present)
I got to the Festhaus a little too early for OKTOBERFEST and get my corned-beef sandwich. Ended up watching Entwined again (number 3 now). The park didn't have many people in it today and it was wonderful for us! Anyway, there were about 250-300 people for the final showing of the day. The giant was back. My opinions from last weekend still stand.
I got to the Festhaus a little too early for OKTOBERFEST and get my corned-beef sandwich. Ended up watching Entwined again (number 3 now). The park didn't have many people in it today and it was wonderful for us! Anyway, there were about 250-300 people for the final showing of the day. The giant was back. My opinions from last weekend still stand.
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RE: Entwined: Tales of Good and Grimm (2012 to Present)
^It looks to me as if the scenic designer and costumer had no communication between them whatsoever; individually, they're very creative on their own merit but they don't go together...
^It looks to me as if the scenic designer and costumer had no communication between them whatsoever; individually, they're very creative on their own merit but they don't go together...