COVID-19’s Impacts on BGW

[Zachary]

I will not be commenting on whether or not there are any ongoing discussions or deliberations, but I will say this: People should read our forum rules through to the very end.

I know many people are frustrated by what looks like inaction on the part of forum staff. Our system isn’t the fastest and, and yes, it stays pretty silent until something happens, but don’t interpret silence as a lack of concern or even a lack of effort.

 

[Nicole]

I value the community which is where I derive passion for my position.

Another non sequitur.

 

[nick]

Another non sequitur.

I advocate for high risk & elderly to stay home or take precautions as they choose.?
I advocate for businesses to be “allowed the right” to open and for people to choose whether they want to go there or not based on their own comfort levels. ?
I advocate for individuals taking the precautions they choose to. ?
I think you can be safe & healthy based on your own choices with the help of experts around you.
I think I can be safe & healthy based on my own choices with the help of experts around me.
I don’t agree with your position, but that doesn’t mean I don’t care for the good of my community. I care for my community from a different perspective than yours.

 

[nick]

I will not be commenting on whether or not there are any ongoing discussions or deliberations, but I will say this: People should read our forum rules through to the very end.

I know many people are frustrated by what looks like inaction on the part of forum staff. Our system isn’t the fastest and, and yes, it stays pretty silent until something happens, but don’t interpret silence as a lack of concern or even a lack of effort.

 

[nick]

Point proven. Just received a notice from an admin that they’re “not happy” with me.

 

[FoozMuz]

People taking whatever precautions they felt like didnt stop half a million Americans from dying, and many of those deaths were a result of lax low-risk people not being cautious and spreading that infection to high risk individuals.

This is obviously a situation where individuals deciding to do whatever they feel like very predictably leads to and has lead to mass death. Might as well rail on traffic lights infringing on your right to cross an intersection at your leisure.

 

[Zachary]

Point proven. Just received a notice from an admin that they’re “not happy” with me.

The censure process is typically private as to not harm the reputation of anyone involved, but since you publicly outed yourself as having received a message from us about your posts, I won’t allow the admin team to be misrepresented. As expressly laid out in our message to you, an advisory panel member recommended you for a censure and, after a lengthy, private deliberation process, a panel of your peers recommended that the admins censure you. We agreed with their reasoning and enacted their recommendation.

Our notice to @nick regarding his censure:

Good evening,

We’re reaching out to notify you that you have been censured by ParkFans based on a recommendation by an elected body of your peers, the ParkFans Advisory Panel.

As stated in our forum rules, “In rare, extreme circumstances” our standard rule enforcement mechanisms “may be bypassed by means of an Advisory Panel vote to censure or, subsequently, ban a user.” After a lengthy, private deliberation process, the Advisory Panel approved a motion to suggest that you be censured. The admins have accepted that recommendation.

The conclusion reached by the Advisory Panel was that your continued posting of often false, misleading, antagonistic, rude rhetoric regarding COVID-19 is not only harming the public image of ParkFans, but also substantially, negatively impacting the user experience of not only the Advisory Panel members, but also many other ParkFans members who have reached out to panel members privately to request that something be done.

This censure has no actual impact on your account. It is the Advisory Panel’s equivalent to issuing a warning—it is a notification that the panel sees a major problem with your current posting behavior—an effort to encourage a change in behavior before real action is taken. The only “penalty” that this censure carries is that your account is now susceptible to a subsequent ban recommendation to the admins by the panel if they’re not satisfied with your behavior from this point on.

If you’d like to submit a response to the panel, feel free to reply to this message and we will pass along anything you’d like to have relayed.

Thanks for understanding,

The ParkFans Admin Team

It’s easy to misquote scientists who aren’t here to defend themselves, but you shouldn’t try it with me, @nick.

 

[warfelg]

Might as well rail on traffic lights infringing on your right to cross an intersection at your leisure.

I get the random guy feeling that some of these people are the same ones that would fly down the street at 60 when kids were playing hockey.

 

[nick]

Literally what I said.

 

[Nicole]

I advocate for high risk & elderly to stay home or take precautions as they choose.?
I advocate for businesses to be “allowed the right” to open and for people to choose whether they want to go there or not based on their own comfort levels. ?
I advocate for individuals taking the precautions they choose to. ?
I think you can be safe & healthy based on your own choices with the help of experts around you.
I think I can be safe & healthy based on my own choices with the help of experts around me.
I don’t agree with your position, but that doesn’t mean I don’t care for the good of my community. I care for my community from a different perspective than yours.

You keep trying this rhetorical trick where you make dramatic statements that have nothing to do with the issue under discussion.

There is no point in my continuing to debate the details of this laundry list, as we have covered why people disagree with your views ad nauseum.

What is worth noting, however, is that it has nothing to do with what I said. Here is the post we are actually talking about:



As you can see, you appeal to emotion is a complete non sequitur.

I am, however, still struggling to understand your point in the depicted post. You appear to be attempting to make some sarcastic statement about what I said. As far as I can tell, you are really only agreeing that you believe it is reasonable to do whatever you want, regardless of the harm it does to others and society.

Literally what I said.

If you really don’t know the difference between the Admins and the Advisory Panel, I recommend you look here:

https://parkfans.net/threads/overview-of-the-pfn-advisory-panel.4372/

 

[Jonesta6]

So anyways, outside of the one misguided employee at FF, have there been any other noticeable issues with ensuring people are distanced and masked?

 

[Zachary]

Some from Twitter:

 

[Nicole]

On Saturday, I saw employees with masks below their noses and personally found myself in areas and lines with guests who were not socially distanced and/or masked.

 

[rswashdc]

On Saturday, I saw employees with masks below their noses and personally found myself in areas and lines with guests who were not socially distanced and/or masked.

Masking seemed almost optional today - e.g. saw a family of 5 on the teacups not wearing masks at all or under their chin even after told by the operator to wear them. Social distancing is pretty much not possible with the crowd volume. There just isn’t enough open to pull crowds apart nor enough employees to enforce mask wearing.

 

[horsesboy]

Some from Twitter:

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While I definitely saw more lax enforcement and more rule breaking I don't believe either of these tweets to be fair to the park. The park HAS relaxed the spacing on rides most notably Invadr . But I also still saw fairly decent spacing in lines and by and large on the path. And to be blunt we KNOW it's not as packed as precovid. Mask uses outside of rides and buildings is definitely slipping but I still saw decent enforcement in areas where park employees have more direct supervision and interacting guest. As a side note mask uses is slipping in society as a whole as any of those working in public facing jobs can likely attest to. No that is not saying that it's right or that BGW shouldn't enforce the rules but face it the park gates are not a vacuum where the world mindset changes as soon as you walk in. BGW and their employees by and large actively make an effort to enforce the rules which is more then can be said about most businesses at the moment including where I personally work where we are not allowed to say anything to a maskless customer.

On a side note do we actually KNOW that ride cleaning is gone cause at the moment I haven't actually seen any evidence that it is just a bunch of people saying they didn't witness it when they were at a ride so it must not be happening. I am not saying it is since I will once again say I didn't witness any first hand Saturday but I did do so Friday night so I wonder when it went away if it did. To that point one thing I noticed a few weeks ago is it's not a 6:00 7::00 8:00 cleaning but the rides were actually being clean in 60 minutes segments with their open time noted so if they reopened at 6:15 they went down again atv7:15 not 7 as an example. I have to wonder if maybe this isn't leading to people missing a cleaning and seeing a ride stay running at a time they assume it should be cleaned. Again I don't know that there haven't been changes but would like to see evidence supporting that before we assume that to be the case.

 

[rswashdc]

In addition to Invadr, the carousel had no blocked off rows anymore and Davinci’s cradle was every row which is tighter than Invadr.

 

[Murphy]

While I definitely saw more lax enforcement and more rule breaking I don't believe either of these tweets to be fair to the park. The park HAS relaxed the spacing on rides most notably Invadr . But I also still saw fairly decent spacing in lines and by and large on the path. And to be blunt we KNOW it's not as packed as precovid. Mask uses outside of rides and buildings is definitely slipping but I still saw decent enforcement in areas where park employees have more direct supervision and interacting guest. As a side note mask uses is slipping in society as a whole as any of those working in public facing jobs can likely attest to. No that is not saying that it's right or that BGW shouldn't enforce the rules but face it the park gates are not a vacuum where the world mindset changes as soon as you walk in. BGW and their employees by and large actively make an effort to enforce the rules which is more then can be said about most businesses at the moment including where I personally work where we are not allowed to say anything to a maskless customer.

On a side note do we actually KNOW that ride cleaning is gone cause at the moment I haven't actually seen any evidence that it is just a bunch of people saying they didn't witness it when they were at a ride so it must not be happening. I am not saying it is since I will once again say I didn't witness any first hand Saturday but I did do so Friday night so I wonder when it went away if it did. To that point one thing I noticed a few weeks ago is it's not a 6:00 7::00 8:00 cleaning but the rides were actually being clean in 60 minutes segments with their open time noted so if they reopened at 6:15 they went down again atv7:15 not 7 as an example. I have to wonder if maybe this isn't leading to people missing a cleaning and seeing a ride stay running at a time they assume it should be cleaned. Again I don't know that there haven't been changes but would like to see evidence supporting that before we assume that to be the case.

Anecdotal, but I have a knack for catching the ride cleaning cycle. Whether it’s on the hour or not. It always seems that I’m about to get on a ride and they make the announcement about spraying down and cycling trains until dry.

A form of Murphy’s Law I suppose.

 

[Shiny_Witch]

While I definitely saw more lax enforcement and more rule breaking I don't believe either of these tweets to be fair to the park. The park HAS relaxed the spacing on rides most notably Invadr . But I also still saw fairly decent spacing in lines and by and large on the path. And to be blunt we KNOW it's not as packed as precovid. Mask uses outside of rides and buildings is definitely slipping but I still saw decent enforcement in areas where park employees have more direct supervision and interacting guest. As a side note mask uses is slipping in society as a whole as any of those working in public facing jobs can likely attest to. No that is not saying that it's right or that BGW shouldn't enforce the rules but face it the park gates are not a vacuum where the world mindset changes as soon as you walk in. BGW and their employees by and large actively make an effort to enforce the rules which is more then can be said about most businesses at the moment including where I personally work where we are not allowed to say anything to a maskless customer.

On a side note do we actually KNOW that ride cleaning is gone cause at the moment I haven't actually seen any evidence that it is just a bunch of people saying they didn't witness it when they were at a ride so it must not be happening. I am not saying it is since I will once again say I didn't witness any first hand Saturday but I did do so Friday night so I wonder when it went away if it did. To that point one thing I noticed a few weeks ago is it's not a 6:00 7::00 8:00 cleaning but the rides were actually being clean in 60 minutes segments with their open time noted so if they reopened at 6:15 they went down again atv7:15 not 7 as an example. I have to wonder if maybe this isn't leading to people missing a cleaning and seeing a ride stay running at a time they assume it should be cleaned. Again I don't know that there haven't been changes but would like to see evidence supporting that before we assume that to be the case.

Talking with some employees while I was there was what led to that post, they communicated that it was a very recent change where leadership had changed covid operating procedures from every other row at a lot of the rides to every row now as long as guests weren't directly face to face like on some medium rides and opening up rides like wirbelwind(the swings) and carousel to every position and that the cleaning had changed from every hour to every 3-4 hours staggered depending on when that ride opened.

 

[horsesboy]

Talking with some employees while I was there was what led to that post, they communicated that it was a very recent change where leadership had changed covid operating procedures from every other row at a lot of the rides to every row now as long as guests weren't directly face to face like on some medium rides and opening up rides like wirbelwind(the swings) and carousel to every position and that the cleaning had changed from every hour to every 3-4 hours staggered depending on when that ride opened.

Thanks I wasn't trying to be argumentative just trying to make sure we actually had facts instead well I didn't see see it so it must not be happening assumptions.

 

[Shiny_Witch]

Thanks I wasn't trying to be argumentative just trying to make sure we actually had facts instead well I didn't see see it so it must not be happening assumptions.

Yeah all good