My point being unless they are using something very strong, which would probably be hazardous to customers they are not applying it properly which in turn is not helping.
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What exactly would they be using that’s hazardous that no one else is using and is approved by the FDA?
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I’ll be honest that I’m having a moment of utter shock here. Based on your posting about what you’ve seen, I gather you work in a medical field, possibly a hospital. Yet you are almost encouraging posters in this board to ignore all best practices that the cdc and likely your bosses are requiring at the moment to prevent the spread.
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Outdoor seating is certainly doable with spacing and table cleaning. Indoor seating is where it’s more dicey and really depends on the airflow rate of the building’s ventilation system. Older buildings with stagnant air are not going to be safe to open for anyone.
There are lots of cleaners that are very strong and widely available on places like Amazon and commercial cleaning supply stores. And who says what these stores are using are FDA approved? Many of the so called NIOSH n95 masks on Amazon right now are fakes, in fact the CDC website directs you to a NIOSH site that shows fakes.
And no I do not work for a Hospital.
Things like clorox spray for example require a wet dwell time, most stores are spraying and immediately wiping it dry and handing off to customers. So either they are using a very strong cleaner than within seconds kills everything or they are not properly applying it and not allowing time for the product to work. Most hospital grade cleaners have direct skin contact warnings. I’m not sure how you twist me saying improper application and improper ppe is encouraging ignoring best practices.....but carry on.
Cleaners not always being used optimally is one thing. You stated that what is being done currently is accomplishing "nothing" or "almost nothing" though. If there is actual evidence that this is true, I'd love to see it. And I'm not saying that sarcastically—I would seriously like to read about the effectiveness of these cleaners when they're used suboptimally.
Again it comes back to a statement that I've made before, just because that's what you see doesn't mean that's the way it is everywhere. The only two stores I'm going to are my local Publix and Target. They are cleaning everything and giving time before they let someone use it. My target is actually encouraging people to leave everything in their cart barcode up so they can just step around and hand scan it. I haven't seen many 'wipe dry' practices going on, and most times I've seen wiping, its to spray and spread. It takes time to really try to dry something.
And as I'm typing @Zachary beat me to the punch of what raised my eyebrows. The statement that what is being done is accomplishing "nothing". I personally think since we've beaten projections in our neck of the woods (rest of the country remains to be seen) then the stay at home, the cleaning that they have been doing, and the way people are using PPE is working. Of course that's hard to do without more widespread testing.
And as I'm typing @Zachary beat me to the punch of what raised my eyebrows. The statement that what is being done is accomplishing "nothing". I personally think since we've beaten projections in our neck of the woods (rest of the country remains to be seen) then the stay at home, the cleaning that they have been doing, and the way people are using PPE is working. Of course that's hard to do without more widespread testing.
That is likely fine for things like the train but that doesn't fix things located near guest's faces like over the shoulder restraints.
These rides may have to stay closed in that case or be cleaned every cycle. Most the attractions across the entire inventory don’t have over the shoulder restraints, so it may be closer to Christmas town in terms of open attractions.
I think this is going to take a while to get those things back. And the other issue is hand sanitizing doesn't take care of all the other things that can happen. Someone only sanitizes to the wrists because they are wearing a watch, then they sneeze into their elbow and rest their arms on the lap bar. That doesn't really help.
Another note on @rswashdc 's post though: I'd like to see more than just hand sanitizer. Give hand washing stations. I know I've been an outspoken opponent to virtual queues, but it would help in keeping the ropes/rails of queues clean. My fear is if people aren't in queues it means they are out somewhere wandering the park, so it makes pathways more crowded and harder to distance from one another.
I think games might be the safest to open first. No arcade open. Before the shutdown I saw a few clothing stores go the way I think that re-opening would go, which is a sample out on the floor, everything else in packaging. Getting more specific: The Stein shop in Germany won't be able to just leave them out, the'll have to be stored so they can only be taken out for someone that really wants one. I think the days of the 'grab bin' merchandise is over, and those will be displayed so you can take one without touching.
Just to add to the "disinfectants that don't work"discussion... Here's a list of 370 products listed by the EPA that do-
List N: Disinfectants for Use Against SARS-CoV-2
www.epa.gov
List N: Disinfectants for Use Against SARS-CoV-2
About List N: Disinfectants for Coronavirus (COVID-19) | US EPA
EPA expects all products on List N to kill the coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) when used according to the label directions.
www.epa.gov
Portable hand washing stations are certainly an option if they can get enough of them and keep the water in them changed regularly. Hand sanitizer is a little easier to implement and can be put right at the entrance point to getting on the ride whereas hand washing stations will probably have to sit outside the queue.
Yep, and in bold letters it mentions contact time for a wet surface.....and the majority of those show a 10 minute contact time. Has anyone been waiting 10 minutes for their cart to sanitize? Also I didnt read it there but many cleaners after those 10 minutes or what ever wet time they require also require a time period to become inert to where they are safe for human contact.Just to add to the "disinfectants that don't work"discussion... Here's a list of 370 products listed by the EPA that do-
List N: Disinfectants for Use Against SARS-CoV-2
About List N: Disinfectants for Coronavirus (COVID-19) | US EPA
EPA expects all products on List N to kill the coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) when used according to the label directions.
Whenever I ask my girlfriend when she'd be comfortable going back she always mentions how one of the last times she rode a roller coaster she got spit on. It's a problem for sure.
@GrandpaD that's an awesome link because it even breaks down the usage (healthcare, industrial, residential) and surface type. Looks like there's quite a few cleaners that look safe for healthcare and residential use with a 1 minute contact time.
1 minute sounds fast but thats 1 full minute of a sauturated surface. Stores are not doing that....at least the Kroegers, Walmarts, Targets, and Home Depots I have been regularly going to arent. Food Lion is only cleaning the carts in the morning before they open and not all of the Walmarts are cleaning carts.
This still doesn't mean these cleaning practices are doing "nothing."
Granted, there are a lot of 10s. But look how many are 1, 2 or 3 minutes (you can do a search). And I'm certain the use instructions for each product lists the front time where it's safe.
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1 minute sounds fast but thats 1 full minute of a sauturated surface. Stores are not doing that....at least the Kroegers, Walmarts, Targets, and Home Depots I have been regularly going to arent. Food Lion is only cleaning the carts in the morning before they open and not all of the Walmarts are cleaning carts.
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Good to see you're doing your part to flatten the curve. ?
Ok....that's what you see. Not what I see. I've seen stores half ass-ing the efforts and I refuse to go to them. I've stated multiple times what my Target, Kroeger, and Publix are doing, but seemingly that doesn't exist.
I've seen Kroeger clean the carts before taking them inside, then again before handing them out. Target near me is doing the same. Both are directing people at checkout times where to go to give the cashier or self checkout time to clean their station.