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Granted, there are a lot of 10s. But look how many are 1, 2 or 3 minutes (you can do a search). And I'm certain the use instructions for each product lists the front time where it's safe.

And as for how that affects BGW....if they wanted to they could "alternate" usage of coaster trains. Clean every time, then send one out wet but no passengers, and when it comes back let people load up. It would massively slow down operations, but I rather have slow operations being safe than quick operations being unsafe.
 
That's fine and dandy @warfelg , so perhaps a solution for coasters. The trains? Carousel? Swings? The queues? Food establishments? Theaters?

I'm not trying to be Negative Nancy here, but even if the "recreational facilities" ban is lifted, there is so much to be addressed at BGW or KI to make them even remotely safe I don't see it feasible. And, it wouldn't surprise me in the least that small occupancy facilities get the go-ahead before large venues.
 
That's fine and dandy @warfelg , so perhaps a solution for coasters. The trains? Carousel? Swings? The queues? Food establishments? Theaters?

I'm not trying to be Negative Nancy here, but even if the "recreational facilities" ban is lifted, there is so much to be addressed at BGW or KI to make them even remotely safe I don't see it feasible. And, it wouldn't surprise me in the least that small occupancy facilities get the go-ahead before large venues.

I don't know. Which is why (if you go back some) I rather just see things closed until they can clean everything. Maybe they just don't operate trains. Label the Carousel was "red loop" and "blue loop" and only fill 50% of it at a time. Same with the swings. Food establishments I offered a solution for. No indoor shows.

Queues is my major reason why they shouldn't open. Those are what you can't develop a plan for and therefor they shouldn't open. My issue has never been the rides/food/merchandise. It's literally everything else. The pathways, railings, trash cans, bathrooms, bathroom doors, water fountains. It's illogical to pay someone to continually clean all those surfaces.
 
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And homemade masks are not a option. Unless a mask can completely stop droplets then it’s no good. Half these people you see wearing so called masks in stores are doing nothing for themselves or others. It’s false hope. The park will also need to ban the use of gloves. People can not be allowed to wear gloves and cross contaminate everything because they aren’t washing hands.

I have a feeling you do not understand how PPE works. Masks actually do provide some assistance to reducing the spread of disease. Otherwise, medical professionals wouldn't use them in hospitals. Continuing on that point, homemade masks have a varying range of effectiveness. Some are more effective than others based on material, layers, etc. The purpose of the mask is not to block droplets from getting in, but to block droplets from exiting the mask. That is why you still need to social distance and keep 6 feet apart, even while wearing a mask. It is not false hope simply because you watch one video on the internet that does a homemade science fair project showing masks as ineffective.

As for the gloves, personally, I believe they are unnecessary provided you wash your hands every time before you eat/drink or touch your face. However, they do help protect your hands, but they need to be changed often to be most effective. The incorrect use of gloves by guests is not the park's responsibility.

Which leads to my final point, all these measures are great, but what if people refuse to participate in these measures. Say for example, you place hand sanitizer at the entrance of every ride, that doesn't necessarily mean people will use it. Some may not even notice it, some may not care, and others are opposed to using it.
 
I have a feeling you do not understand how PPE works. Masks actually do provide some assistance to reducing the spread of disease. Otherwise, medical professionals wouldn't use them in hospitals. Continuing on that point, homemade masks have a varying range of effectiveness. Some are more effective than others based on material, layers, etc. The purpose of the mask is not to block droplets from getting in, but to block droplets from exiting the mask. That is why you still need to social distance and keep 6 feet apart, even while wearing a mask. It is not false hope simply because you watch one video on the internet that does a homemade science fair project showing masks as ineffective.

As for the gloves, personally, I believe they are unnecessary provided you wash your hands every time before you eat/drink or touch your face. However, they do help protect your hands, but they need to be changed often to be most effective. The incorrect use of gloves by guests is not the park's responsibility.

Which leads to my final point, all these measures are great, but what if people refuse to participate in these measures. Say for example, you place hand sanitizer at the entrance of every ride, that doesn't necessarily mean people will use it. Some may not even notice it, some may not care, and others are opposed to using it.
I slightly understand PPE, in fact I am fit tested for n95s and other respirators yearly.The context of that comment was people wearing any type of face covering and calling it a mask on a rollercoaster. Ive seen people using a single layer of tshirt material for a mask, if the sneeze or cough with that it will not stop droplets and on a coaster those droplets will transmit to the riders behine them. And since you want to tell me why medical professionals wear them in that setting the mask is there to protect the healthcare provider so those masks keep droplets out. Anyhow....thanks for your attempt but my post was referring to the park not just allowing anyone to say anytjing is a mask. There would need to be some regulation.
 
Can you provide some credible, reliable source for what you believe? My source indicates that medical masks that medical professionals use, do not in fact prevent droplets from entering, but rather the opposite. It's not exactly great to be spitting on your patient if you have them cut open on a table.

In regards to a theme park setting, or more specifically a roller coaster, there are so many variables that you can't determine if they are or not effective. You can't positively say they are effectively and you can not positively say they aren't. You would have to account for wind, forces, materials, and so many more factors. That said, so what if people want to wear whatever for a mask on a roller coaster? At least they are making an attempt at preventing the spread of disease; which, is more admirable of a response that just saying it's not worth doing anything.

Technically, any material can be made into a mask. The main reason you see so many homemade masks is due to a shortage of masks as well as some people want a more customized mask. As time goes on, and a market develops for masks (especially customized ones), and if mask wearing becomes a standard practice in the country, you will see more effective masks become available. That is the basis of business, you see a need and then you supply a product/service to take care of that need.

For reference, my source is:
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I know YouTube videos may seem unreliable, but this channel in particular lists all of their very credible sources in the videos description.
 
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And homemade masks are not a option. Unless a mask can completely stop droplets then it’s no good. Half these people you see wearing so called masks in stores are doing nothing for themselves or others. It’s false hope.
This is 100% false. Reducing the spread of droplets and infections (which homemade masks still do) is way better than not doing it at all. Stop spreading lies just like the CDC/Surgeon General did when the claimed that masks don’t work.
 
Granted, there are a lot of 10s. But look how many are 1, 2 or 3 minutes (you can do a search). And I'm certain the use instructions for each product lists the front time where it's safe.

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1 minute sounds fast but thats 1 full minute of a sauturated surface. Stores are not doing that....at least the Kroegers, Walmarts, Targets, and Home Depots I have been regularly going to arent. Food Lion is only cleaning the carts in the morning before they open and not all of the Walmarts are cleaning carts.

Good to see you're doing your part to flatten the curve. ?
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I have honestly been to numerous stores every day, I am however the only one shopping for 3 families. I shop for my family, my parents and my wife’s. No one else has been in a store in a month. I don’t have a choice but to be exposed at work so I am the one doing everyone’s shopping. When you shop for 3 families sometimes it requires many stops especially when at first things were very scarce and had limits of 1 or 2.

Ok....that's what you see. Not what I see. I've seen stores half ass-ing the efforts and I refuse to go to them. I've stated multiple times what my Target, Kroeger, and Publix are doing, but seemingly that doesn't exist.

I've seen Kroeger clean the carts before taking them inside, then again before handing them out. Target near me is doing the same. Both are directing people at checkout times where to go to give the cashier or self checkout time to clean their station.

Just as you say “that’s what you see” i’m not seeing what your seeing, I’m shopping in Hampton and NN so that’s what i’ve seen. My local Food Lions were cleaning registers between each customer but that has stopped now too. Today the stores were the worst I have seen since this started, the Hampton Walmart had lines stretching into the clothing and many many registers open. I guess the government checks are being used.
 
This is 100% false. Reducing the spread of droplets and infections (which homemade masks still do) is way better than not doing it at all. Stop spreading lies just like the CDC/Surgeon General did when the claimed that masks don’t work.

Again.....I am referring to sneezing through a homemade mask on a rollercoaster. A homemade mask slows the speed of droplets propelled from the mouth or nose. On a coaster those droplets that make it past the mask are in the air where the person behind them will pass through just a second later. If someone sneezed in a supermarket would you want to run directly past their face a second later?
 
That literally says under FDA-cleared Surgical Masks, the second section no doubt that:

Surgical masks, in contrast, are designed to be worn by healthcare professionals during surgery and other medical tasks, to help prevent contamination of the surgical field and/or the patient by capturing liquid droplets that are expelled by the wearer.

Which means that yes these basic masks do help prevent the droplets from being spread from you to others. But regardless of mask type, any type of obstruction in your mouth/nose area would help slow or stop the spread of droplets with varying results based on materials used and thickness of layers, etc.
 
That literally says under FDA-cleared Surgical Masks, the second section no doubt that:



Which means that yes these basic masks do help prevent the droplets from being spread from you to others. But regardless of mask type, any type of obstruction in your mouth/nose area would help slow or stop the spread of droplets with varying results based on materials used and thickness of layers, etc.

Here is another good reference that shows differences. Keep in mind that Covid is transmitted through aerosolized droplets from normal respiration, coughs and sneezes.

 
Random thought here inspired by @mtorange 's idea:
What if BGW auctioned off seats on the first public train of Pantheon to help with employees laid off right now? Or did a limited number of tickets offered on the first open day and did like 1000 tickets auctioned off or raffled off and the money went to local families or laid off employees in need?
 
Random thought here inspired by @mtorange 's idea:
What if BGW auctioned off seats on the first public train of Pantheon to help with employees laid off right now? Or did a limited number of tickets offered on the first open day and did like 1000 tickets auctioned off or raffled off and the money went to local families or laid off employees in need?
Come on, this is SeaWorld we are talking about they would never help out their furloughed employees like that.
 
Random thought here inspired by @mtorange 's idea:
What if BGW auctioned off seats on the first public train of Pantheon to help with employees laid off right now? Or did a limited number of tickets offered on the first open day and did like 1000 tickets auctioned off or raffled off and the money went to local families or laid off employees in need?

The auction idea is a great one but a problem I have seen with all the other coasters is soft openings. Who wants to pay to be the first to ride when dozens if not hundreds of people have already ridden and not sure anyone would pay a large enough chunk of money to where it would be beneficial once divided amongst all the employees. Now what could be a big money maker is selling a hard ticket to a event like they held for Verboten before it opened. Food, drinks, bands and as many rides as you can imagine. I also think another problem is they have already advertised to members that they will have exclusive time to be the first to ride.
 
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Either don’t do a soft opening or to it with the idea for first day open.

Also that doesn’t change the excitement level. I was on the first public ride of Skyrush and it had been doing soft testing for a while first.
 
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