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For better or worse, BGW has proven with the removal of This is Oktoberfest that not even the most-beloved, most-iconic, most-thematically-perfect show is sacred.

I'm deeply conflicted on Celtic Fyre. On one hand, it has long overstayed its reasonable runtime and, in the name of keeping things fresh and interesting, it should be replaced. That said, the park has yet to produce a main season entertainment product that comes close to rivaling Celtic Fyre. Assuming this trend would continue, whatever replaces Celtic Fyre would almost certainly be worse than Celtic Fyre.

This situation is very reminiscent of how I feel about many Howl-O-Scream houses. Bitten long overstayed its welcome, but, at the same time, seeing it replaced with a house that I feel is strictly worse feels wrong. Same with Dead Line. Sure, it was getting old, but there was no reasonable expectation that BGW would top the house quality of Dead Line with its replacement.

Busch Gardens Williamsburg's entertainment department is very, very weak these days. The products we've seen put forward over the last couple years have ranged from disappointing to horrible and we've not seen anything to suggest that this will change. Given that, I don't know what I want to see happen with the elements of the park experience they control.

I know that when a park becomes a museum, it ceases to be a very good theme park—in other words, the park needs change. I also know that when a park offers new bad products, it may result in a temporary boost, but in the long run it's almost certainly a net negative.

Ultimately, Entertainment has to get their house in order or the park needs to decrease its reliance on and investment in the department. In the short term though, it's a matter of picking our poison whether we want to watch old, once-great products continue to degrade or if we want to see new, sub-par products replace the status quo.
 
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As others have mentioned, I often plan my summer visits around Celtic Fyre. Usually it's "okay, what time does Celtic Fyre perform today? 6pm? Great! I'll get there at 4:30, grab something to eat, watch Celtic Fyre at 6, and then do a full lap around the park hitting whatever I decide on riding as I go." The only thing I make it a point to do when I go during the summer is catch Celtic Fyre at some point during the day. Rides, specific restaurants, etc. I can take it or leave it but my visits usually feel like they're missing something if I don't catch the show. It's kind of like a tradition now for me.

That being said, I understand, and fully expect that the show will eventually perform it's last show at the park. While I'll hate to see it go, I understand the necessity for a park to keep things fresh.
 
Yeppers. Celtic Fyre's start and end dates help us decide when we begin coming up, and when we stop coming, for the main season. If we are are driving 4 hours the activities need to be full and worth our time. Frankly, the park is so lacking now it doesn't "stand on it's own" for us anymore. If no shows are running we don't bother. And they make the show starts later and later every year it seems, plus staggered starts. We only saw Britmania and Mix It Up one weekend.

So, for us, they are only hurting themselves and giving us less incentive to even try. It is such a headache to figure out when all the shows start and stop in addition to the run window becoming so narrow. Don't even start me on late show times. Sundays use to be 3pm for us and Celtic Fyre's first show is 3:30? We make the coaster loop and head home before noon. Well, that turned into a rant. My apologies.
 
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I'm deeply conflicted on Celtic Fyre. On one hand, it has long overstayed its reasonable runtime and, in the name of keeping things fresh and interesting, it should be replaced. That said, the park has yet to produce a main season entertainment product that comes close to rivaling Celtic Fyre. Assuming this trend would continue, whatever replaces Celtic Fyre would almost certainly be worse than Celtic Fyre.

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Busch Gardens Williamsburg's entertainment department is very, very weak these days. The products we've seen put forward over the last couple years have ranged from disappointing to horrible and we've not seen anything to suggest that this will change. Given that, I don't know what I want to see happen with the elements of the park experience they control.

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Ultimately, Entertainment has to get their house in order or the park needs to decrease its reliance on and investment in the department. In the short term though, it's a matter of picking our poison whether we want to watch old, once-great products continue to degrade or if we want to see new, sub-par products replace the status quo.

Ok, not looking for insider information here, just your opinion here.

Why do you think that the entertainment department has become so weak and they aren't seeing the return on investment? I personally have my own opinions on it, but I think my opinion backs more Celtic Fyre getting a revamp as opposed to a whole new show.

My $0.02 on it:
~More parks are doing shows, so performers become more difficult to find. This I know has nothing to back it up; but feel like more parks are going for quality shows.
~It costs a lot to create and develop these shows, and ultimately that cost could mean 'corner cutting' on certain aspects.
~In the case of RPT shows, Globe shows, and CF; once you are in you are in. With Oktoberfest and Mix it Up; with an open venue you can come and go as you please.
~Lack of cohesive themes. I think the park has done it to itself here where the theme elements within an area aren't cohesive, so it's becoming more difficult to put out shows for an area that fit that area.

Given that, I think a revamp of Celtic Fyre would make a ton of sense. Ireland area is (seemingly) becoming more about the 'magic of Ireland'; so I would keep the music, and instead of the show being based around a wedding, so something with how music and dance are an expression of the magic of Ireland. Change out one or two songs for something more fitting.
 
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For better or worse, BGW has proven with the removal of This is Oktoberfest that not even the most-beloved, most-iconic, most-thematically-perfect show is sacred.

I'm deeply conflicted on Celtic Fyre. On one hand, it has long overstayed its reasonable runtime and, in the name of keeping things fresh and interesting, it should be replaced. That said, the park has yet to produce a main season entertainment product that comes close to rivaling Celtic Fyre. Assuming this trend would continue, whatever replaces Celtic Fyre would almost certainly be worse than Celtic Fyre.

This situation is very reminiscent of how I feel about many Howl-O-Scream houses. Bitten long overstayed its welcome, but, at the same time, seeing it replaced with a house that I feel is strictly worse feels wrong. Same with Dead Line. Sure, it was getting old, but there was no reasonable expectation that BGW would top the house quality of Dead Line with its replacement.

Busch Gardens Williamsburg's entertainment department is very, very weak these days. The products we've seen put forward over the last couple years have ranged from disappointing to horrible and we've not seen anything to suggest that this will change. Given that, I don't know what I want to see happen with the elements of the park experience they control.

I know that when a park becomes a museum, it ceases to be a very good theme park—in other words, the park needs change. I also know that when a park offers new bad products, it may result in a temporary boost, but in the long run it's almost certainly a net negative.

Ultimately, Entertainment has to get their house in order or the park needs to decrease its reliance on and investment in the department. In the short term though, it's a matter of picking our poison whether we want to watch old, once-great products continue to degrade or if we want to see new, sub-par products replace the status quo.
I know it’s a bit different but wasn’t all for one well received
 
I know it’s a bit different but wasn’t all for one well received

I wouldn't say so. I enjoyed All For One, but I think I liked it more than most people, and even I thought it needed another re-write. Most people seemed to either like it or hate it, but few seemed to love it unconditionally the way some seem to love Celtic Fyre.

I would guess that 8 out of 10 people I talk to say they love Celtic Fyre, whereas I hardly know anyone who will say they enjoyed All For One without saying "however." The most I usually hear about CF is that someone doesn't like the story songs or thinks the dance-off is too long. I agree with the story sentiment, but I know that's many people's favorite part of the show.

Still, I think Celtic Fyre has great balance, and even though I think it's time for a replacement, I am terrified of what might replace it. I don't think the park is capable of anything much over Kings Dominion level right now in entertainment. (Blasphemy, I know.)
 
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The only change I would love to hear is for the sound mixer to actually crank up the volume and properly mix the bodhran and the guitar. Their talent is being mocked if they are actually playing their instrument but for only visual purposes. You can’t hear them when the voices and orchestral track is playing.
...and mic and mix the drums and stomping on Moster Stomp while I’m thinking about it. Ugh.
 
I wouldn't say so. I enjoyed All For One, but I think I liked it more than most people, and even I thought it needed another re-write. Most people seemed to either like it or hate it, but few seemed to love it unconditionally the way some seem to love Celtic Fyre.

I think All For One is a good example to kind of prove Zachary's point he made earlier. I enjoyed All For One and thought it was a decent show that I'd occasionally go out of my way to see. I'd easily see it 5 or 6 times a summer (I live in Williamsburg so I'm at the park at least once a week in the summers) but I was kind of excited to see something better potentially get put there once they pulled the plug on All For One. I had way too much faith. I ended up extremely disappointed with Spark and couldn't bear sit through it a second time and ended up wishing All For One was still there instead. This is a very real and legitimate fear I do have if they decide to replace Celtic Fyre.
 
Don’t rely on BGW. Support local theater and arts.
THIS!

Seriously if you like theater and the arts why limit yourself to park shows. The theater scene in NOVA, RVA, and Tidewater are all vibrant and alive. If you are interested in traditional shows with high end technical quality go check out VSC at the Wells. If you are more into edgy pieces that challenge your notions of what theater is, go check out The Generic under Chrysler Hall. If big Broadway shows are your gig, The Kennedy center always has good productions. If that is out of your price bracket go a little farther north and west to Winchester and see what Shenandoah Summer Music Theater is up to.

I'm not saying you should not go to the shows at BGW, just that it is hardly representative of what exists out there and your local theaters need your support.

/rant over
 
I would both be welcoming a replacement but also quite fearful as well because Celtic Fyre represents BGW's entertainment department at it's best when everything is under control. I am one of the few people here who really, REALLY liked All For One 2017 for what it was and was extremely disappointed with Spark so it goes to show that not all replacements are a good thing to be had. For me Celtic Fyre, Britmania, Mix it Up!, and OktoberZest 2018 are shows I'll see when I'm visiting the park for the four of them are equally entertaining on their own terms and are fun to watch when one wants to take a break from the rides.
 
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Oh I would give my left kidney to have a new Irish Thunder type of show in that theater. But I guess it's my 8 year old self talking to me again. ?
 
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Caught the first Celtic Fyre show for the season. I didn't notice any significant changes. Seemed like around 50/50 new cast and returning cast. There were a few hitches I noticed that are bound to happen during the first show, but still the same enjoyable show that I've grown to love. Excited for another year of it and gonna try to enjoy it as many times as I can this season because I'm sure any season could be its last.
 
I swear if they end this show without telling people it's ending beforehand there will be revolts.

DarKastle says hello.

The fact of the matter is that the park simply doesn't know if a show is returning at the time of its final showing the season before. Unless a big replacement is planned far ahead of time (seems unlikely with BGW Entertainment right now), there's a very good chance BGW won't actually be able to tell people before it's too late to say goodbye.

The current plans have it returning for 2020, but current plans change abruptly in Entertainment.
 
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