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RE: Concerts 2013
Alpenghost! I think that is the first nice thing I've seen you post in a long while.
Also, I think park level fame is ever changing. I mean probably about four or so years ago the park had classic rock names that was more popular with the mature crowd and classic rock lovers. Just in the past two years the park had two of the biggest tween artists.
I honestly think park level fame is also very much an opinionated thought. It depends on who you like, what you like and if you consider it popular. I would consider all artists who play at the park very popular. However, they each can have an extreme audience demographic.
For example, some people may argue that Bruno Mars is too big to play at the park. Honestly, I think he fits the parks goals considering the park has been going for that young adult/teen/tween demographic considering the concerts in the past 3 years have grown to accommodate those demographics.
The park is still going for that more mature audience with some older names which is fine because those are really good too, but I do see a shift to the more young adult/teen/tween demographic. Based off of those demographics alone I could see Bruno Mars playing at the park.
But then again you also have to figure in the cost of the artist as well for a free admission concert, which I am sure is pretty expensive, however since we don't have those numbers we can only base our opinions off of demographics and our opinionated popularity scales which differ extremely from one person to another based on their own personal likeness.
Alpenghost! I think that is the first nice thing I've seen you post in a long while.
Also, I think park level fame is ever changing. I mean probably about four or so years ago the park had classic rock names that was more popular with the mature crowd and classic rock lovers. Just in the past two years the park had two of the biggest tween artists.
I honestly think park level fame is also very much an opinionated thought. It depends on who you like, what you like and if you consider it popular. I would consider all artists who play at the park very popular. However, they each can have an extreme audience demographic.
For example, some people may argue that Bruno Mars is too big to play at the park. Honestly, I think he fits the parks goals considering the park has been going for that young adult/teen/tween demographic considering the concerts in the past 3 years have grown to accommodate those demographics.
The park is still going for that more mature audience with some older names which is fine because those are really good too, but I do see a shift to the more young adult/teen/tween demographic. Based off of those demographics alone I could see Bruno Mars playing at the park.
But then again you also have to figure in the cost of the artist as well for a free admission concert, which I am sure is pretty expensive, however since we don't have those numbers we can only base our opinions off of demographics and our opinionated popularity scales which differ extremely from one person to another based on their own personal likeness.
RE: Concerts 2013
You're being sarcastic aren't you?
Anyway, I do believe that given his state of popularity that he would be out of the park's league. League... hmmm... I wonder what Human League is up too. I bet they would be up for a concert at BG.
I would say try looking up smaller concert venues like the Norva to see what sort of artist would play to a smaller crowd... or "smaller bands" on group tours with other "smaller bands." For example, Blondie and the B52's did a concert together at the Portsmouth Amphitheater.
I mean who knows what bands/ artists would agree to a theme park venue.. I am just weighing the odds and placing my bets.
Alpenghöst said:
You're being sarcastic aren't you?
Anyway, I do believe that given his state of popularity that he would be out of the park's league. League... hmmm... I wonder what Human League is up too. I bet they would be up for a concert at BG.
I would say try looking up smaller concert venues like the Norva to see what sort of artist would play to a smaller crowd... or "smaller bands" on group tours with other "smaller bands." For example, Blondie and the B52's did a concert together at the Portsmouth Amphitheater.
I mean who knows what bands/ artists would agree to a theme park venue.. I am just weighing the odds and placing my bets.
RE: Concerts 2013
B-52's performed at BGW a few years back. The park was not ready for the crowds that day at all. Wasn't an enjoyable experience for me and my family since it basically turned into a moshpit right where we were sitting, although about 20 minutes in we found a quiet spot to at least avoid all the foot traffic.
B-52's performed at BGW a few years back. The park was not ready for the crowds that day at all. Wasn't an enjoyable experience for me and my family since it basically turned into a moshpit right where we were sitting, although about 20 minutes in we found a quiet spot to at least avoid all the foot traffic.
RE: Concerts 2013
I just read a post on the park's Facebook page asking which date the Hot Chelle Rae concert was. So, I went to their official website and saw this posted:
http://www.hotchellerae.com/us/events
Basically, they've put that they have a concert at the park on August 8th.
I just read a post on the park's Facebook page asking which date the Hot Chelle Rae concert was. So, I went to their official website and saw this posted:
http://www.hotchellerae.com/us/events
Basically, they've put that they have a concert at the park on August 8th.
RE: Concerts 2013
Me? No, of course not!
In all seriousness, though. I think he's very talented and I like his voice, but most of his songs are just 'meh.'
Nora said:
Me? No, of course not!
In all seriousness, though. I think he's very talented and I like his voice, but most of his songs are just 'meh.'
RE: Concerts 2013
Oh PR... we all love you... I think... But let me tell you, I'd be willing to bet a large sum of money that I don't have that would be resulted in the death of the mobsters I owe money to that Bruno will not be playing at the park anytime soon, and if that does happen, it's because he wants to for w/e reason or cut the park a deal, not because they paid him what he could fetch for doing one of his shows with a 10 million dollar production cost with a $75,000 a nightly production cost... And don't get me wrong, these are floater numbers, but it wouldn't be uncommon... And as someone who works rather close to the concert industry I can cast realistic projections of what to expect... and so can anyone who understands how it works...
Norva level bands seem to even be pushing the budget with bands that Busch would pick... But we live in a rather musically dead area. Some Norva bands could sell out an arena in other places... So why come here?
It's a tricky balance. But basically whoever said that bands/acts that have a large concert production behind them, don't expect to see them here at busch... It's the truth.
Party Rocker said:
Oh PR... we all love you... I think... But let me tell you, I'd be willing to bet a large sum of money that I don't have that would be resulted in the death of the mobsters I owe money to that Bruno will not be playing at the park anytime soon, and if that does happen, it's because he wants to for w/e reason or cut the park a deal, not because they paid him what he could fetch for doing one of his shows with a 10 million dollar production cost with a $75,000 a nightly production cost... And don't get me wrong, these are floater numbers, but it wouldn't be uncommon... And as someone who works rather close to the concert industry I can cast realistic projections of what to expect... and so can anyone who understands how it works...
Norva level bands seem to even be pushing the budget with bands that Busch would pick... But we live in a rather musically dead area. Some Norva bands could sell out an arena in other places... So why come here?
It's a tricky balance. But basically whoever said that bands/acts that have a large concert production behind them, don't expect to see them here at busch... It's the truth.
RE: Concerts 2013
Disclaimer: Youhow does not speak for the entirety of the forums.
Disclaimer: Youhow does not speak for the entirety of the forums.
RE: Concerts 2013
Weird Al did play King's Dominion one year, but that was when he was touring for an album. It's not completely inconceivable, but unlikely.
Weird Al did play King's Dominion one year, but that was when he was touring for an album. It's not completely inconceivable, but unlikely.
RE: Concerts 2013
I went to two concerts at BG Tampa this year 1st one Paul Revere and the Raiders he did 12 shows in 4 days I went to 2 of them they were GREAT he still got it at 75 then I also went to the John Kay and Steppenwolf concert the plaxe they hold this show was like when they use to do them behind the Feasthouse here and it was packed with people my guess was over 20000 it was part of the Bands Brew BBQ event they were holding there for 4 or 5 weekends would love to see something like this return here.....
I went to two concerts at BG Tampa this year 1st one Paul Revere and the Raiders he did 12 shows in 4 days I went to 2 of them they were GREAT he still got it at 75 then I also went to the John Kay and Steppenwolf concert the plaxe they hold this show was like when they use to do them behind the Feasthouse here and it was packed with people my guess was over 20000 it was part of the Bands Brew BBQ event they were holding there for 4 or 5 weekends would love to see something like this return here.....
RE: Concerts 2013
Youhow2, I would like to think that my presence on the forums as a member is welcomed, if not loved. Your post was a nice read and I do find your point of view quiet interesting; however I still must hold on to my opinion in great strength during this debacle.
Music is a very diverse and opinionated subject in the sense that everyone enjoys a different sound. You can never please everyone with just one sound. However, I will say you can please huge crowds of people. What seems to have slipped through time and time again that people have trouble comprehending is that simply, popularity does define cost as well as venue, but popularity can not be measured by just a simple look of the artist.
Let me put it into a perspective everyone might understand. Let us say that the park was interested in becoming more of a destination park, like what we have heard tossed around a few times scattered amongst the threads. If you were trying to get people to plan their vacations toy our establishment, would you book artists that are well known amongst a strong demographic such as young adults/teens or would you book artists that are well known amongst a less strong demographic? Now I say young adults/teens because they tend to be a growing demographic at this moment and they tend to really have an unprecedented authority within families. Parents try to please their darling teen by bringing them to the concert of a lifetime with that super famous artist that they would just die to see. They tend to subconsciously get their parents to plan a vacation around them or for them because all parents want their children to enjoy a vacation not dread it.
Therefore, I believe that is what the park is trying to establish and what the park is trying to exploit. They dabbled in younger artists when they brought Emily Osment and then Miranda Cosgrove. Then if you noticed they had a bunch of more well known but not so known artists. Hot Chelle Rae falls into this category. They are very well known and loved, and their songs are very popular, however they themselves are not as known. For instance, I told my friend Hot Chelle Rae was going to perform. They said they didn't know who they were. I played a bit of Tonight, Tonight and they immediately knew who I was talking about.
Those types of artists are the types the park attracts, in my opinion. They have shown a strong interest in getting the hot new artists that their songs are more well known than the actual artist. I remember the concerts about 5 years ago. The artists then were hit rock bands and such and I had no idea who the artists were but I did know some of their songs. That is why every year I do research for each artist to find out their style of music and if it interests me rather than saying I don't know them, who cares.
Now to extend my opinion even further, I think that we all try to possess a scale of popularity. For example can we really measure Bruno Mars' popularity? Simply we can not, but we can place a price tag on him. that price being determined by whoever "sells" him so to speak. Judging this popularity makes us miss the artists every year. We have virtually now way to find out or even guess who might play at the park but only judging them by "our" popularity scales. Furthermore, popularity is very opinionated as we all think our favorite artist is more or less popular than others; when clearly everyone else my think differently.
I did not say Bruno Mars will be performing or not; I said I could see him playing as he is a more newer artist which the park seems to be trying to get in these more recent years. However, I personally feel he will not perform at the park, probably ever.
In my personal opinion, I enjoyed Hot Chelle Rae last year and I am glad they are back this year and I do think that the park could use some more artists like them; as well as bringing in some more classic rock artists. An equal balance between the two would be very nice.
Youhow2, I would like to think that my presence on the forums as a member is welcomed, if not loved. Your post was a nice read and I do find your point of view quiet interesting; however I still must hold on to my opinion in great strength during this debacle.
Music is a very diverse and opinionated subject in the sense that everyone enjoys a different sound. You can never please everyone with just one sound. However, I will say you can please huge crowds of people. What seems to have slipped through time and time again that people have trouble comprehending is that simply, popularity does define cost as well as venue, but popularity can not be measured by just a simple look of the artist.
Let me put it into a perspective everyone might understand. Let us say that the park was interested in becoming more of a destination park, like what we have heard tossed around a few times scattered amongst the threads. If you were trying to get people to plan their vacations toy our establishment, would you book artists that are well known amongst a strong demographic such as young adults/teens or would you book artists that are well known amongst a less strong demographic? Now I say young adults/teens because they tend to be a growing demographic at this moment and they tend to really have an unprecedented authority within families. Parents try to please their darling teen by bringing them to the concert of a lifetime with that super famous artist that they would just die to see. They tend to subconsciously get their parents to plan a vacation around them or for them because all parents want their children to enjoy a vacation not dread it.
Therefore, I believe that is what the park is trying to establish and what the park is trying to exploit. They dabbled in younger artists when they brought Emily Osment and then Miranda Cosgrove. Then if you noticed they had a bunch of more well known but not so known artists. Hot Chelle Rae falls into this category. They are very well known and loved, and their songs are very popular, however they themselves are not as known. For instance, I told my friend Hot Chelle Rae was going to perform. They said they didn't know who they were. I played a bit of Tonight, Tonight and they immediately knew who I was talking about.
Those types of artists are the types the park attracts, in my opinion. They have shown a strong interest in getting the hot new artists that their songs are more well known than the actual artist. I remember the concerts about 5 years ago. The artists then were hit rock bands and such and I had no idea who the artists were but I did know some of their songs. That is why every year I do research for each artist to find out their style of music and if it interests me rather than saying I don't know them, who cares.
Now to extend my opinion even further, I think that we all try to possess a scale of popularity. For example can we really measure Bruno Mars' popularity? Simply we can not, but we can place a price tag on him. that price being determined by whoever "sells" him so to speak. Judging this popularity makes us miss the artists every year. We have virtually now way to find out or even guess who might play at the park but only judging them by "our" popularity scales. Furthermore, popularity is very opinionated as we all think our favorite artist is more or less popular than others; when clearly everyone else my think differently.
I did not say Bruno Mars will be performing or not; I said I could see him playing as he is a more newer artist which the park seems to be trying to get in these more recent years. However, I personally feel he will not perform at the park, probably ever.
In my personal opinion, I enjoyed Hot Chelle Rae last year and I am glad they are back this year and I do think that the park could use some more artists like them; as well as bringing in some more classic rock artists. An equal balance between the two would be very nice.
RE: Concerts 2013
I tend to judge popularity by how many times I hear an artist on the radio, and then also by how many stations I hear them on. In this area, I hear Bruno on every station, therefor, he is $$$$$$$ popular compared to $$ popular. The park pays for $ to $$$ popularity. I'll let Atlantis bring Science into this, but I like my sound logic.
Party Rocker said:
I tend to judge popularity by how many times I hear an artist on the radio, and then also by how many stations I hear them on. In this area, I hear Bruno on every station, therefor, he is $$$$$$$ popular compared to $$ popular. The park pays for $ to $$$ popularity. I'll let Atlantis bring Science into this, but I like my sound logic.
RE: Concerts 2013
I guess I'm not loved anymore, oh well
Just because you hear an artist frequently doesn't mean their popular. Popularity should be measured by how many individuals like an artist.
This was my point, slightly.
I guess I'm not loved anymore, oh well
David said:
Just because you hear an artist frequently doesn't mean their popular. Popularity should be measured by how many individuals like an artist.
David said:
This was my point, slightly.
RE: Concerts 2013
So... How popular is Weird Al based on all of that?
Yankovic often describes his live concert performances as "a rock and comedy multimedia extravaganza" with an audience that "ranges from toddlers to geriatrics."
So... How popular is Weird Al based on all of that?
Yankovic often describes his live concert performances as "a rock and comedy multimedia extravaganza" with an audience that "ranges from toddlers to geriatrics."
RE: Concerts 2013
I think a simple look at the BillBoard Top 200 is the easiest way to solve this puzzle. The higher they are on the Billboard the more expensive they will be. You have to be popular to be on billboard. In fact Pop Music is short for Popular Music.... Lesson in simple popularity in music complete.
I think a simple look at the BillBoard Top 200 is the easiest way to solve this puzzle. The higher they are on the Billboard the more expensive they will be. You have to be popular to be on billboard. In fact Pop Music is short for Popular Music.... Lesson in simple popularity in music complete.