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If you go to a theme park by yourself without a wheelchair or other mobility assistance, and claim you’re unable to stand in a line for 30 minutes, but have no issue getting from one end of the park to the other in less than 10 minutes to get the “last ride of the night” on something, how exactly is that different from waiting in a line?

If you’re capable of walking around the park for extended periods but are using the system specifically to avoid waiting in a queue so you can ride other rides while your virtual queue time is ready, that’s abusing the system, and it’s just wrong. That’s not “playing the game”.
Standing still sometimes is worse than moving. I don't have ADA but i do have a bad back and if im standing in line i deffiently start to feel ot and need to start twisting and bending after about 30min. God forbid someone with an actual bad back im sure its a problem. I can walk all day long and be perfectly fine. Same if i sit around the house and not work. Ill wake up sore but ill feel better when i get out and start moving
 
So I have ADA accessibility where ever I want to use it (L2, 3, 4 are all microcracked; disk between L2-3 is arthritic, between L3-4 is bulged in two places, and I have 2 dislocated nerves in my spine causing stenosis) and I never use it at all. Some days I can’t feel my feet or walk properly and I still refuse to use it because I know there’s worse cases. ADA abuse is a thing and it’s annoying when I do actually need it and someone is using it just to use it.
 
So I have ADA accessibility where ever I want to use it (L2, 3, 4 are all microcracked; disk between L2-3 is arthritic, between L3-4 is bulged in two places, and I have 2 dislocated nerves in my spine causing stenosis) and I never use it at all. Some days I can’t feel my feet or walk properly and I still refuse to use it because I know there’s worse cases. ADA abuse is a thing and it’s annoying when I do actually need it and someone is using it just to use it.
So because theres always someone worse off you let yourself suffer while you try to have fun? Um.. ok well whatever you wanna do. So who are we nit picking who ADA should be for then here? Now this is just getting fucking dumb
 
If you go to a theme park by yourself without a wheelchair or other mobility assistance, and claim you’re unable to stand in a line for 30 minutes, but have no issue getting from one end of the park to the other in less than 10 minutes to get the “last ride of the night” on something, how exactly is that different from waiting in a line?
"10 minutes" and "30 minutes". Just because you can walk from one side of the park to another, that doesn't prove that you lack a disability. If you for example, have issues with your knees where you can't stand for extended periods of time, thats a plenty valid reason to have an accessibility pass. Waiting in line for 30 minutes is an extended period of standing. Walking for 10 minutes isn't. Just because it's invisible to you doesn't mean it exists.
 
I also don't understand the issue with discretionary use of an ADA pass. Some days you might not need it, for one reason or another. Like if you have an issue with extended periods of standing, and lines are short enough where it's not an issue, you wouldn't necessarily need it.

I'm also not trying to say their isn't abuse. I know there's abuse. It could also be better implemented, but that's a whole other can of worms.
 
I’m going to side with Northdetective on this one. I don’t really understand muting him for his opinion either…

The ADA system at most parks sucks, and there’s no denying that it can greatly benefit the people using it. And for the people who genuinely need the accommodation? Great. That’s literally what the system is there for.

The problem is the people who only get one when the line is long, or who bring a group of 5+ friends along with them simply because the pass applies to the whole group. If someone genuinely cannot wait in a traditional queue, absolutely, accommodate them. But if you are physically capable of waiting in the line and are using ADA primarily to avoid a 30, 60, or 90 minute wait, I don’t think that’s what the system was intended for.

And honestly, the parks deserve some blame here too. They don’t do nearly enough to prevent abuse, but they also don’t do a great job making the ADA process seamless for everyone else.

Take row assignments, for example. If an ADA guest wants row 1, why does the grouper need to hold up the entire operation or make everyone else wait for that row? Just skip row 1, fill the rest of the train, and let the ADA group load at the same time as everyone else.

Universal does this really well. If a group of six using an accommodation wants the back two rows of Hulk, they can radio the grouper, the grouper simply leaves those rows empty, and the ADA group loads at the same time as everyone else. Nobody has to stand there watching a group “cut” through the queue, and operations aren’t unnecessarily disrupted.

That also eliminates a lot of the perception problem.

And yes, I know “line anxiety” is a real thing for some people. But I think it has become an incredibly broad excuse for ADA accommodations. Everyone standing in a 30+ minute line gets tired. Everyone gets uncomfortable. Everyone gets anxious when they’re standing in a packed queue for an hour.

That doesn’t automatically mean someone needs an ADA accommodation.

There are also absolutely people in the enthusiast community who will look at a 90 minute wait, go ride something with a 20 minute wait, and then use their accommodation to come back and effectively bypass that 90 minute line. I’ve seen it happen way too often.

So no, I don’t think every ADA user is abusing the system. I don’t think people should be questioned about their disabilities. And I don’t think someone should be made to feel guilty for legitimately using an accommodation.

But pretending there is no abuse, or that the current system doesn’t give some people a significant advantage over the standby guest, is just ignoring reality.

The solution isn’t getting rid of ADA accommodations. The solution is making sure they’re being used for the people who actually need them, while designing the system so legitimate ADA guests can be accommodated without unnecessarily disrupting everyone else’s experience.
Do you not understand that someone with a disability may be fine waiting in a 10-15 minute queue, but physically unable to wait in a 30-90 minute queue? Some of your other posts would have made me believe that you can't be that stupid, so help me out here. Why does this seem to go ver your head?
 
I want to better clarify my stance. Some of my wording didn't properly reflect what I actually mean, and I want to make sure I’m being fair to people who legitimately rely on these programs.

Some examples I brought up in the quoted message earlier were very specific, situational scenarios based on specific incidents I've seen, and I definitely didn't mean to portray everyone using accommodations in that light. I know every situation is different, and I shouldn't have generalized.

First off: If you have a disability or medical need, visible or invisible, you should absolutely use the accommodations. Navigating a park with physical limitations, chronic pain, or neurodivergence is hard, and virtual queue systems exist for a vital reason: to create equal access so everyone can enjoy their day.

My issue isn't with anyone who actually needs the system. It comes from my firsthand experience working at several theme parks.

Having worked in the industry, I’ve seen people straight up lie to game the honor system just to get a free fast lane, especially enthusiasts trying to pad their ride counts. An example of abuse is when someone gets a return time for Twisted Timbers because they claim they can't wait in a queue, but then proceed to march across the park and ride three other attractions waiting in the standby lines while their timer runs down. That isn't using the system for equity, it's double-dipping and exploiting a program meant for accessibility.

When bad actors abuse these systems, it forces parks to tighten restrictions, which ultimately hurts the guests who genuinely need the help.

I know that standing still in a line is completely different from walking around, and that invisible disabilities vary a lot. My frustration is purely with people intentionally taking advantage of the system, not with the guests it was built to support.
 
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I want to better clarify my stance. Some of my wording didn't properly reflect what I actually mean, and I want to make sure I’m being fair to people who legitimately rely on these programs.

Some examples I brought up in the quoted message earlier were very specific, situational scenarios based on specific incidents I've seen, and I definitely didn't mean to portray everyone using accommodations in that light. I know every situation is different, and I shouldn't have generalized.

First off: If you have a disability or medical need, visible or invisible, you should absolutely use the accommodations. Navigating a park with physical limitations, chronic pain, or neurodivergence is hard, and virtual queue systems exist for a vital reason: to create equal access so everyone can enjoy their day.

My issue isn't with anyone who actually needs the system. It comes from my firsthand experience working at several theme parks.

Having worked in the industry, I’ve seen people straight up lie to game the honor system just to get a free fast lane, especially enthusiasts trying to pad their ride counts. An example of abuse is when someone gets a return time for Twisted Timbers because they claim they can't wait in a queue, but then proceed to march across the park and ride three other attractions waiting in the standby lines while their timer runs down. That isn't using the system for equity, it's double-dipping and exploiting a program meant for accessibility.

When bad actors abuse these systems, it forces parks to tighten restrictions, which ultimately hurts the guests who genuinely need the help.

I know that standing still in a line is completely different from walking around, and that invisible disabilities vary a lot. My frustration is purely with people intentionally taking advantage of the system, not with the guests it was built to support.
But if timbers has a 30min line and everything else has a 5min line, standing in line with whatever said condition sucks and walking doesn't hurt, why wouldnt I go ride the other stuff?
 
the point is other people couldn't, but your stance is proudly "screw everyone else" so I don't think anyone's gonna be able to help you understand. I just don't know why you think you can bully people into sucking your ass and telling you you deserve special treatment by saying things like

Why do you hate the handicap?

It's actually pathetic for an adult lol. But clearly you enjoy the victimhood
 
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Wow I sure am great at opening cans of worms… Just because it’s easy for me to walk around and “run to the last ride of the night” (I know that wasn’t directed at me, but I fit in that boat) does not mean it’s easy for me to stand for long pds of time. I’d rather not go into much detail, but once I’m standing in a line for 30 minutes due to the nature of my disability, my feet/legs start hurting like crazy, and I have no choice but to sit on the handrails. Alright. Ted talk over.
Edit: this proves my exact point in feeling like an asshole for using it.
 
The idea that this is a personal audit and you're all responsible for defending your actions on this site is baffling. If you're so secure that you need accommodations, you should feel no need to explain to northdetective why you break the rules (it's always for your own benefit and at your own discretion, which other people are not entitled to)

Wow. What an incredibly nuanced discussion that’s not totally offensive.

This is what gets me lol. The expectation of complete compliance and "nobody is allowed to question me." Killed two people within the last year mind you. But it's too "offensive" to address the question of disability, probably because almost everyone who uses the program benefits from reduced wait times for free
 
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But if timbers has a 30min line and everything else has a 5min line, standing in line with whatever said condition sucks and walking doesn't hurt, why wouldnt I go ride the other stuff?

You’ve actually reaffirmed my point on why the current setup ends up getting abused.

The Accessibility Program is meant to provide equal opportunity, not an advantage. There is nothing equal about one person waiting in a line for a single ride while someone else gets to go ride 4 or 5 other attractions and then come right back to skip the first queue.

Accommodations exist to make sure people with disabilities can experience the park on equal footing, not so anyone gets to rack up a higher ride count than a guest in the standby line.

As also mentioned in a prior post by me, the park is partially at fault here. We appear to just be glancing over that. Anyone abusing it is just as much at fault though.

And honestly, the parks deserve some blame here too. They don’t do nearly enough to prevent abuse, but they also don’t do a great job making the ADA process seamless for everyone else.

So no, I don’t think every ADA user is abusing the system. I don’t think people should be questioned about their disabilities. And I don’t think someone should be made to feel guilty for legitimately using an accommodation.

But pretending there is no abuse, or that the current system doesn’t give some people a significant advantage over the standby guest, is just ignoring reality.

The solution isn’t getting rid of ADA accommodations. The solution is making sure they’re being used for the people who actually need them, while designing the system so legitimate ADA guests can be accommodated without unnecessarily disrupting everyone else’s experience.
 
The idea that this is a personal audit and you're all responsible for defending your actions on this site is baffling. If you're so secure that you need accommodations, you should feel no need to explain to northdetective why you break the rules (it's always for your own benefit and at your own discretion, which other people are not entitled to)



This is what gets me lol. The expectation of complete compliance and "nobody is allowed to question me." Killed two people within the last year mind you. But it's too "offensive" to address the question of disability, probably because almost everyone who uses the program benefits from reduced wait times for free
My last message was not directed at you, and was just a general reaction after the 10+ messages posted in between the time I went to bed last night and woke up this morning.
 
This is what gets me lol. The expectation of complete compliance and "nobody is allowed to question me." Killed two people within the last year mind you. But it's too "offensive" to address the question of disability, probably because almost everyone who uses the program benefits from reduced wait times for free

It's actually pathetic for an adult lol. But clearly you enjoy the victimhood
 
You’ve actually reaffirmed my point on why the current setup ends up getting abused.

The Accessibility Program is meant to provide equal opportunity, not an advantage. There is nothing equal about one person waiting in a line for a single ride while someone else gets to go ride 4 or 5 other attractions and then come right back to skip the first queue.

Accommodations exist to make sure people with disabilities can experience the park on equal footing, not so anyone gets to rack up a higher ride count than a guest in the standby line.

As also mentioned in a prior post by me, the park is partially at fault here. We appear to just be glancing over that. Anyone abusing it is just as much at fault though.
What do you sugest ADA with a 30min callback time do inbetween..? Whos stopping them from going in a 5min line?
 
@Ghost of Pretzel Kaiser yeah? @MrBradferd is clearly both eager to be a victim by saying

Why do you hate the handicap?

and wants no commentary on the pride he takes in abusing the system. he is a non-disabled person using a system for disabled people and using language like this to defend it. he enjoys the victimhood
 
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