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RE: Rumor - SEAS Parks Broken Up and Sold Off

Party Rocker said:
Also, Disney Gardens anyone?

Twentieth Century Fox has theme park ambitions. Please, oh please no Duff Gardens in Williamsburg. However, beer would be on the menu. Seriously though, I want to visit Dollywood more than ever now. I have always wanted to go but only recently learned of its stellar reputation.
 
RE: Rumor - SEAS Parks Broken Up and Sold Off

Party Rocker said:
Also, Disney Gardens anyone?

They of course have always wanted to be in VA, but from my understand, they just don't have the sort of money SITTING right now to buy AND renovate BGW if it came down to. Now i'm sure they could make it happen if they REALLY wanted, but I believe their focus is on other ventures for now. But who knows.
 
RE: Rumor - SEAS Parks Broken Up and Sold Off

David said:
We all understand the distinction is Comcast buying, not Uni. What I think most people here are looking at, is the fact that Comcast has proven through the Uni Parks that they know how to properly fund and maintain parks. Regardless of what they say as to leaving current SEAS management in place, you better believe they will take practices done at Uni and implement them at SEAS. IMO, THATS what a lot of people here are wanting to see. I'd rather them leave the BG branding in place, as I feel they can extend some of their own IP through it just fine. It's all just as guessing game as to what would happen.

Comcast pumped a lot of money into Uni, and I think we can agree that in general, that's been a good thing. But it's important to note that prices have gone up dramatically, from tickets to merchandise and food & beverage. There's a lot more emphasis on upcharge things now - packages, special seating, etc. Some of this would have been a natural evolution, but it sped up quickly with Comcast's backing.

Also, remember how much "nostalgia" of the Uni parks is being built over. That seems to be a big thing for many posters here when it comes to BGW.
 
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I guess I should point out that Uni has problems, too. For example, Hogsmeade is looking a bit neglected and understaffed. So Comcast clearly isn't some silver bullet, and all theme parks have areas in need of a refresh.
 
RE: Rumor - SEAS Parks Broken Up and Sold Off

Bill said:
Comcast pumped a lot of money into Uni, and I think we can agree that in general, that's been a good thing. But it's important to note that prices have gone up dramatically, from tickets to merchandise and food & beverage. There's a lot more emphasis on upcharge things now - packages, special seating, etc. Some of this would have been a natural evolution, but it sped up quickly with Comcast's backing.

Also, remember how much "nostalgia" of the Uni parks is being built over. That seems to be a big thing for many posters here when it comes to BGW.

Oh of course. There's no doubt about that.

I think it'd be one thing to build over the past, but it's how the current management has gone about it that makes it harder on everyone. Reality is, Uni has been greatly improving itself going with higher detailed, quality attractions. Where as BGW seems to lack the detailed attention they used to have when planning. This is everything from the removal of trees, vegetation, poor thematic maintenance, among other things. Obviously this isn't scientific, just my observations.

We should also note, BGW's quality as a whole has gone down while prices for entry, food, etc keeps increasing... I'm all for price increases as long as the quality is improved as well. Hell, if they can replicate their FL experiences up here, i'd pay Fl prices. Now everyone keep in mind, that wont happen overnight. I do understand the concern, but I HIGHLY doubt they'd come in an jack park entry up to FL levels here in VA day one.
 
RE: Rumor - SEAS Parks Broken Up and Sold Off

Nicole said:
I guess I should point out that Uni has problems, too.  For example, Hogsmeade is looking a bit neglected and understaffed.  So Comcast clearly isn't some silver bullet, and all theme parks have areas in need of a refresh.

This is a very important note but also important that they really are the leading innovators of themed entertainment outside of Oriental Land Company.
 
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It won't happen, but think of how much more immersive a wwohp would be if they had actual seasons to work with. It would be incredible.
 
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As much as I love WWoHP, I would probably crawl into a ball and start sobbing if that ever happened at BGW.
 
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I wouldn't, they could bring the detail in designing that it has, and apply it to projects at the park. However, an actual WWoHP should not be added to the park. It would screw up the park wide theme. It seems like something paramount would do, just with higher quality.

But we should stop talking hypotheticals about themeing and get back to the topic at hand.
 
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This whole thread is hypothetical. It's not like any of us has any real info on the project that can't be found online.
 
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Hi! Welcome to the Parkfans forums. I've see you already found our mostly unfounded speculation. Down the hall you'll find our unwarranted rage and contempt for each other. Enjoy your stay!

Seriously, a lot of us are just pining for what we think will/want to happen with this. Nothing wrong with talking about rumors as long as people know they are rumors.
 
RE: Rumor - SEAS Parks Broken Up and Sold Off

Well, if Comcast buys the park, would that mean an even better Howl o scream?
 
RE: Rumor - SEAS Parks Broken Up and Sold Off

Here's my opinion on the fate of BGW if it were to fall into Comcast's hands:

First, let's look at the fact that BGW is nothing like Universal. Universal has no real overall theme, Busch Gardens has the very rigid overall theme of Europe. At Universal, the first step for their creative process is the ride. After that they come up with ideas for the surrounding hamlet. Everything centers around the ride. They replace entire hamlets when they replace rides. Busch Gardens is the total opposite. Everything centers around the hamlets. They start with the hamlet, then they think of how new rides could fit in. This is a major difference in management that would have to be overcome.

Next, the universal parks are all (more or less) in theme park centered destination. They don't have to get guests to plan a trip to them, they have to get guests to choose them over their competitor. BGW is the complete opposite. There's no real competition, they have to convince customers to travel to them. While universal's goal is being the best park it can be in order to win over customers, Busch gardens has to make itself it's own destination, a complete vacation. It's a daunting task and not one it has ever been able to accomplish. For Busch to succeed it can't simply be another good theme park, it has to be something unique or else become the best theme park in the world. Universal has never really faced that problem before, it's simply trying to out-Disney Disney.

Because of this, I can see the park going one of three ways under Comcast's control.

1. Universals version of Epcot. The park will draw on middle aged customers rather than the teens and young adults catered to by universal. They will combine the park with colonial Williamsburg to make it a complete vacation destination. Rides will be the least of their concerns, they might close some existing and hey certainly won't add anymore, there would be too small an audience for them. They will add Spain and a few other hamlets and get rid of festa and trappers village. The draw will be total immersion, an Epcot without the distraction of a theme park. While Epcot throws in ride to grab at the tourists already in Orlando coaster country, the new Busch gardens (under a new name) will have excellent actors in every hamlet, and incredible, authentic shows. They will have multiple special events and festivals throughout the year to keep things fresh and the park will be open year round.

Or option two:
The best park in the US for thrill seekers. The park will start adding new coasters every year. Hamlets will remain, but become centered around the rides. Germany will become solely focused on the autobahn. Italy: all about Pompeii. New hamlets and rides will be added and older ones replaced: good bye LNM. The new rides will all involve gimmicks to lure coaster freaks out to Virginia. It will become Comcast's ceder point.

Or option three:
The park will simply stay exactly the same. Comcast will not put any money into it. The park currently has no national draw, and only a small one as a regional park. Management may be changed slightly, but overall the park will continue to carry on as it has. It will have enough money to function and keep things looking nice, but it won't receive any funding for expansions or expensive new rides.

Obviously I'm not an expert, this is simply what I imagine would happen if the park were purchased by Comcast. Personally, I hope one of the first two options happens though many of you will probably hate me for it. I love the park, but I also love change and the fact is that the park has failed to be new and exciting. While these may not be the best outcomes for the park, but at least we will never run out of things to talk about on the forums and we will always be entertained.

I'm sure this post is filled with typos, misspellings, and grammatical errors, but I'm too tired to proof read it and I'll edit it in the morning.
 
RE: Rumor - SEAS Parks Broken Up and Sold Off

I think those are three very radical outcomes. I think we need to remember that if Comcast buys us, we will most likely stay seperate from Universal. Comcast will put the same amount of Cash flow into SWP&E as they do Universal, and then management may be shuffled or changed around a bit, and then things will stay the same, we'll just have more money to burn.
 
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How could universal validate giving BGW more money? That makes perfect sense for Seaworld but in the case of BGW, more money to spend doesn't necessarily mean more business.
 
RE: Rumor - SEAS Parks Broken Up and Sold Off

More money, to add attractions, which attracts business.
 
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