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RE: Project 2018: Rebirth of Hurler
I may be the only who is hoping for this, but I actually would love to see an RMC coaster implement a classic vertical loop. I think Son of the Beast was the only "wood coaster" to ever attempt this type of inversion which was a failure, but I think RMC's designs could pull something like this off. I would at least like to see it attempted.
I may be the only who is hoping for this, but I actually would love to see an RMC coaster implement a classic vertical loop. I think Son of the Beast was the only "wood coaster" to ever attempt this type of inversion which was a failure, but I think RMC's designs could pull something like this off. I would at least like to see it attempted.
RE: Project 2018: Rebirth of Hurler
That would be very interesting, but I don't think that fits their fast paced and crazy rides. I feel like rmc is always trying to create new ways of thrilling its riders with new elements, so why put a vertical loop on something that's commonly found on many steel coasters?Shane said:
RE: Project 2018: Rebirth of Hurler
Because it is the inversion that seems to mystify wood coaster engineers. It's an inversion that has a lot of forces going on and as common as it is, it's not the easiest to pull off. I think RMC has stuck with rolls and the like because the forces are dispersed more evenly across the structure and the the train, whereas in a vertical loop the forces are more focused.
If you look at Olympia Looping, it is consider one of the most intense coasters out there and the ride is composed of almost all vertical loops. When Arrow Dynamics first inverted a steel roller coaster they chose the Corkscrew element because it was easier to stretch the loop out. They did eventually perfect the vertical loop once they turned it into an elliptical, but Schwarzkopf was the only one daring enough to attempt to do a perfect vertical loop and in turn has designed some of the more intense inversions on a coaster.
To this day I find that a vertical loop has more effect on the human body than a heartline roll, a zero-g roll, a dive loop, or any of the other inversions commonly used today. In fact if you look at the majority of steel coaster construction in recent years you won't often find it anymore. It's an inversion that has failed in the past on wood coasters (and steel coasters) and to be able to pull it off successfully on a wood coaster I think would be a great achievement.
Because it is the inversion that seems to mystify wood coaster engineers. It's an inversion that has a lot of forces going on and as common as it is, it's not the easiest to pull off. I think RMC has stuck with rolls and the like because the forces are dispersed more evenly across the structure and the the train, whereas in a vertical loop the forces are more focused.
If you look at Olympia Looping, it is consider one of the most intense coasters out there and the ride is composed of almost all vertical loops. When Arrow Dynamics first inverted a steel roller coaster they chose the Corkscrew element because it was easier to stretch the loop out. They did eventually perfect the vertical loop once they turned it into an elliptical, but Schwarzkopf was the only one daring enough to attempt to do a perfect vertical loop and in turn has designed some of the more intense inversions on a coaster.
To this day I find that a vertical loop has more effect on the human body than a heartline roll, a zero-g roll, a dive loop, or any of the other inversions commonly used today. In fact if you look at the majority of steel coaster construction in recent years you won't often find it anymore. It's an inversion that has failed in the past on wood coasters (and steel coasters) and to be able to pull it off successfully on a wood coaster I think would be a great achievement.
RE: Project 2018: Rebirth of Hurler
Personally I dislike it when a drop is interrupted with a change of direction or a roll. It completely shatters the drops own sensation. I would much prefer a vertical loop at the end of a drop, or a bank into a vertical loop. (consider Nessie)
Personally I dislike it when a drop is interrupted with a change of direction or a roll. It completely shatters the drops own sensation. I would much prefer a vertical loop at the end of a drop, or a bank into a vertical loop. (consider Nessie)
RE: Project 2018: Rebirth of Hurler
I know the technology was obsolete in comparison to what engineers use on coasters now, BUT...Son of Beast still leaves a sour taste in the mouth of many when a vertical loop and wooden coaster mix together nowadays. Regardless of the technology or if it's a hybrid or not. Ignorant, I know.
I also think RMC's innovations in integrating inversions and outward twists in ways the industry has never seen before makes the more "traditional" inversion seem obsolete or less impressive when you compare it against what else they (RMC) are doing. I don't personally think this, but it is a thought to consider when designing newer rides.
Again, ignorant. I know...
So I wouldn't personally bet on seeping a vertical loop on this project, or any other RMC project for that matter anytime soon...regardless of how unique it would be, and I personally would not be against.
I know the technology was obsolete in comparison to what engineers use on coasters now, BUT...Son of Beast still leaves a sour taste in the mouth of many when a vertical loop and wooden coaster mix together nowadays. Regardless of the technology or if it's a hybrid or not. Ignorant, I know.
I also think RMC's innovations in integrating inversions and outward twists in ways the industry has never seen before makes the more "traditional" inversion seem obsolete or less impressive when you compare it against what else they (RMC) are doing. I don't personally think this, but it is a thought to consider when designing newer rides.
Again, ignorant. I know...
So I wouldn't personally bet on seeping a vertical loop on this project, or any other RMC project for that matter anytime soon...regardless of how unique it would be, and I personally would not be against.
RE: Project 2018: Rebirth of Hurler
Yeah, yeah I know
I was over simplifying it and was mainly referring to Schwarzkopf Industries like I've referred to RMC. But you are correct, I guess I should have said Alan Schilke and Werner Stengel, but you know what I mean.
This is just my opinion, but I think that is what has kept RMC from doing it so far.
Unagi said:Werner Stengel gets the credit for that, not Schwarzkopf.
Yeah, yeah I know
I was over simplifying it and was mainly referring to Schwarzkopf Industries like I've referred to RMC. But you are correct, I guess I should have said Alan Schilke and Werner Stengel, but you know what I mean. John said:
This is just my opinion, but I think that is what has kept RMC from doing it so far.
RE: Project 2018: Rebirth of Hurler
Wow, at this point when will they stop? But removal of the entire first turn fits the idea I had that's the most reasonable place to really change it up. Maybe a wave turn (the sidewise airtime thing) or 90 degree turn(s) and inversion. Some say "overbank" yes maybe something like Dominator's first high speed curve for the full 180 degrees, but the classic MF overbank is more like Dom's second turn, which wouldn't fit but would work for partial turns.
As to speed, it's not clear to me which RMCs have urethane wheels, maybe it's everything Goliath and after. That slows things down some. The essential part of speed is how much it will follow the original layout or even size/height thereof. If you run the same layout, speed change effect is magnified, thereby the trim brake really killed the ride. Urethane might slow the max. speed, but compared to the old terrible, wonderful first curve the speed after the first curve would be better with Iron Horse and urethane.
Wow, at this point when will they stop? But removal of the entire first turn fits the idea I had that's the most reasonable place to really change it up. Maybe a wave turn (the sidewise airtime thing) or 90 degree turn(s) and inversion. Some say "overbank" yes maybe something like Dominator's first high speed curve for the full 180 degrees, but the classic MF overbank is more like Dom's second turn, which wouldn't fit but would work for partial turns.
As to speed, it's not clear to me which RMCs have urethane wheels, maybe it's everything Goliath and after. That slows things down some. The essential part of speed is how much it will follow the original layout or even size/height thereof. If you run the same layout, speed change effect is magnified, thereby the trim brake really killed the ride. Urethane might slow the max. speed, but compared to the old terrible, wonderful first curve the speed after the first curve would be better with Iron Horse and urethane.
RE: Project 2018: Rebirth of Hurler
Thing is, the vertical loop wasn't SoB's problem. The loop itself was phenomenal! The problem was that they built too high, and too fast, using traditional wood coaster tech. The loop? Glass smooth. The rest of the ride? Non-stop jackhammering. I still want to see a coaster built entirely like that loop one day. Steel coaster spine and ties, but with wood track laminated on top.John said:
RE: Project 2018: Rebirth of Hurler
Here's an update on all the work they're doing. I shot this yesterday. I couldn't believe how much track they've pulled. Hope everyone enjoys.
https://youtu.be/H1Reye2uqAs
Here's an update on all the work they're doing. I shot this yesterday. I couldn't believe how much track they've pulled. Hope everyone enjoys.
https://youtu.be/H1Reye2uqAs
RE: Project 2018: Rebirth of Hurler
Has there been any sort of official announcement or have they just said that it will be back later? If not, this is some next to tempesto marketing.
Has there been any sort of official announcement or have they just said that it will be back later? If not, this is some next to tempesto marketing.
RE: Project 2018: Rebirth of Hurler
I never actually had the opportunity to ride SoB so I wasn't aware of that. I was curious as to why they removed the loop if that was the smoothest part of the ride and did not realize it was because the park purchased lighter trains and those trains could not complete the loop. But, I did know overall the ride was a painful mess.
It is too bad that RMC has just come onto the scene when SoB was torn down. I imagine that Cedar Fair would have done what they are doing to Mean Streak had it stuck around longer or RMC debuted earlier.
But, this thread isn't about SoB so let me stop....
This is a lot more structure removed that I was expecting. It looks like it will be basically an entirely new ride. I don't think that RMC usually removes this much structure, but I could be wrong.
mtpelepele said:
I never actually had the opportunity to ride SoB so I wasn't aware of that. I was curious as to why they removed the loop if that was the smoothest part of the ride and did not realize it was because the park purchased lighter trains and those trains could not complete the loop. But, I did know overall the ride was a painful mess.
It is too bad that RMC has just come onto the scene when SoB was torn down. I imagine that Cedar Fair would have done what they are doing to Mean Streak had it stuck around longer or RMC debuted earlier.
But, this thread isn't about SoB so let me stop....
pickles said:
This is a lot more structure removed that I was expecting. It looks like it will be basically an entirely new ride. I don't think that RMC usually removes this much structure, but I could be wrong.
RE: Project 2018: Rebirth of Hurler
^^-- They could remove that "much" from a taller structure and it barely be noticable. Twisted Colossus is about 2/3 the former combined length of the 2 sides. There just wasn't that much there. Except for the tall central structure, the track structures were independent even when right aside each other. Very economical design. As I mentioned before, the first curve is the best place to completely change, it was a problem and the coaster has the most momentum there so it has the most potential. The removed supports might be enough wood to frame a nice garage, it looked skeletal. But will they continue the teardown? Itching to find out but can wait untilI go Sunday reports Saturday.
^^-- They could remove that "much" from a taller structure and it barely be noticable. Twisted Colossus is about 2/3 the former combined length of the 2 sides. There just wasn't that much there. Except for the tall central structure, the track structures were independent even when right aside each other. Very economical design. As I mentioned before, the first curve is the best place to completely change, it was a problem and the coaster has the most momentum there so it has the most potential. The removed supports might be enough wood to frame a nice garage, it looked skeletal. But will they continue the teardown? Itching to find out but can wait until
RE: Project 2018: Rebirth of Hurler
Very interesting that the entire first turn was removed...curious as to what we may see there.
*prays for outward bank or wave turn*
Very interesting that the entire first turn was removed...curious as to what we may see there.
*prays for outward bank or wave turn*
RE: Project 2018: Rebirth of Hurler
I honestly don't think RMC could've done much or anything at all with SoB. There was just so much wrong with that ride from conception until completion. It was made with low quality materials and was poorly constructed and by the time it officially closed it was in horrible condition. It's better that it was completely removed and wiped off the face of the planet.
Shane said:
I honestly don't think RMC could've done much or anything at all with SoB. There was just so much wrong with that ride from conception until completion. It was made with low quality materials and was poorly constructed and by the time it officially closed it was in horrible condition. It's better that it was completely removed and wiped off the face of the planet.
RE: Project 2018: Rebirth of Hurler
You know the project was doomed from the get go when reputable companies like GCI and CCI refused to even bid on the project. They knew a wooden coaster that big would never work. I suppose RCCA attempted the project because they needed the business but even they couldn't do it properly and were fired halfway through the completion.
Shane said:
You know the project was doomed from the get go when reputable companies like GCI and CCI refused to even bid on the project. They knew a wooden coaster that big would never work. I suppose RCCA attempted the project because they needed the business but even they couldn't do it properly and were fired halfway through the completion.