Rumor Project 2028: Shoreline Pier Phase III

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SweetBabyJames said:
I like your idea of adding another flat ride like a drop tower or S&S scream and swing because it would help to round out the boardwalk area as would another family attraction. I do like your enthusiasm for a new coaster (especially the Intimin you described) placed directly on Ka's plot. I think that addition will come, just not yet. Instead of focusing on the Golden kingdom, an area currently inaccessible to the public, I believe the park ought to focus its resources on areas of the park that are currently accessible to the public and in need of help. For instance there are many empty plots of land throughout the park, fading buildings, old beat up pathways, etc that need attention in the immediate future. Two areas of greatest concern in my opinion are junior thrill seekers and Frontier adventures. Beatifying these particular areas and the park as a whole as it currently stands takes precedence. Once the park is brought up to a higher caliber of visual and structural quality, with plot holes filled, focus can be shifted to expanding the park back into the Golden Kingdom. I see that happening 5-7 years from now. The park's next coaster and several new thematically appropriate rides could just as easily be placed in frontier adventures or Rolling Thunder's plot.
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I get what you’re saying. The golden kingdom is the best themed area of the park and was my favorite so I am biased. I always wanted more investment there even before KA removal. I really don’t want to see that entire section which is still entirely intact sit abandoned for many years. Plus we still feel like we are in the rebuilding phase from the demolitions in 2024 and another major coaster is still needed and sooner would be better if they want to recover and retain attendance.
 
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I think I rather see six flags take care of both half of the boardwalk that hasn't been touched (like dare devil dive, go karts, right stuff building) & frontier adventure before they started to take care of golden kingdom (until the time was right to do build something big on kingda ka old spot)
 
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RDL said:
Wasn't there a 300-400ft drop tower and kids area featured in the same survey that had the flat package (which ended up being shoreline pier)? I think a family coaster was included too
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I don't think that kids area would be referring to Shoreline - by all accounts it was thrown together last minute when all the SFA rides went up for grabs, and the park badly needs a modern kids area. SP isn't really a typical kids focused area as you would expect for those 8 and younger, and the two existing lands are ancient and not really anything notable.

I agree though, I think we see all three additions from that survey by 2030/2031. If I had to guess, the drop ride goes in SP for '28, and they'll knock down Jr. Thrillseekers for a Camp Snoopy extension of Pine Barrens in '29. Wild card is a family coaster in the DDD/Go Karts plot for 2030.
 
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KrillAtTheDriveThrough said:
I'm speaking out of my ass but I wonder how much future investment is going to be dependent on how well Bakunawa does for the park in the eyes of corporate. Obviously they have up until 2028 (publicly) locked and loaded and the management have said what they are looking towards in the future, and I doubt its going to be a "tHe eNd Of gReaT AdvEntUre" like we aren't installing batwing at sfa or something silly like that. Its not like the park hasn't gone though worse times in its history. That's just absurd. That said, I get the vibe that with all the higher level corporate shake up in the last several years, they may see this as an opportunity to reexamine some of their parks and how well investment actually pays off there, even if they likely already have data from past years (I don't actually know this but I imagine they have something resembling pre-merger statistics). Whether people think Bakunawa was a good investment for the 5 year plan or not is one thing, but whether Bakunawa drives in the numbers they are wanting may potentially change the outlook longer term even if slightly. (though if they use their funds wisely and get good at convincing upper management they could probably improve the state of the park a la fiesta texas under seibert either way).


On another note, its kinda crazy how many low capacity coasters the park's installed in a row lol. Which means they might as well continue the trend and purchase Arie Force One /j
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Its pretty much this, they probably have their 2028 addition close to locked up, but they are definitely going to measure ROI in 2027 before comitting anymore big bucks. Seeing as they were sending out surveys for the drop tower I imagine it gets installed in 2028. But a good chunk of their business comes in July/August and October. Measuring that late in the season it would be too late for a major 2028 investment like a coaster. So.... I'd say 2029 they go in with a major coaster.
 
What exactly is phase 3 of boardwalk? I don't understand why they would need a third year when final improvements can be completed this coming off season. SP and some of the area improvements were phase 1, Bakunawa and more general improvements are phase 2. I don't recall hearing about anything past that. I could have sworn I saw mike say boardwalk renovations would be finished up in 27'...
 
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What exactly is phase 3 of boardwalk? I don't understand why they would need a third year when final improvements can be completed this coming off season. SP and some of the area improvements were phase 1, Bakunawa and more general improvements are phase 2. I don't recall hearing about anything past that. I could have sworn I saw mike say boardwalk renovations would be finished up in 27'...
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Go back to the very first post in this thread. Ryan stated it's a three phase project.
 
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NYCityBoy said:
A family style Gravity Group wooden coaster painted white with a nighttime lighting package in place of the Go Carts and the Mack 1 building would be awesome to finish off the Boardwalk/Shoreline Pier area.
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I would love to see that! My top next two coasters are a family woodie and a full circuit high compasity multi launch (KA replacement).
 
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Krusty said:
I don't think that kids area would be referring to Shoreline - by all accounts it was thrown together last minute when all the SFA rides went up for grabs, and the park badly needs a modern kids area. SP isn't really a typical kids focused area as you would expect for those 8 and younger, and the two existing lands are ancient and not really anything notable.

I agree though, I think we see all three additions from that survey by 2030/2031. If I had to guess, the drop ride goes in SP for '28, and they'll knock down Jr. Thrillseekers for a Camp Snoopy extension of Pine Barrens in '29. Wild card is a family coaster in the DDD/Go Karts plot for 2030.
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The flat package was a separate entry in the survey, the kids area was a Planet Snoopy type area I think

I agree with your ideas though. I’d like to see BBNP get a makeover too
 
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I did ask about the future with an addition of something like big bear mountain and werewolf gorge and Mike and Ryan both stated very clearly that if WE as fans have had a discussion, they are privy to it and they themselves have asked that same thing and they will be obviously monitoring how everything with Bak and shoreline perform but they absolutely want to add more for families so it’s refreshing to hear internally they’ve had this conversation
 
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Clear said:
I did ask about the future with an addition of something like big bear mountain and werewolf gorge and Mike and Ryan both stated very clearly that if WE as fans have had a discussion, they are privy to it and they themselves have asked that same thing and they will be obviously monitoring how everything with Bak and shoreline perform but they absolutely want to add more for families so it’s refreshing to hear internally they’ve had this conversation
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Mike. Ryan. Two words: Wild One. Nostalgia play, thematically perfect, relatively cheap, tons of headlines for saving a piece of classic Americana (oldest operating coaster in the US if you save it!), and you'll earn an infinite amount of goodwill from the thoosies while also AUTHENTICALLY filling a massive gap in your lineup (classic, historic family wooden coaster).

You can even pay tribute to your own former classic woodie which previous ownership so foolishly destroyed, Rolling Thunder, by reinterpreting the "Wild One" name as a major costal storm battering The Boardwalk.

Call up CGI or GravityGroup—either can do it—both companies have either done or shown interest in doing similar resurrection projects previously. The layout can be altered (mirroring the layout, changing the angle of the curve, altering the direction of the curve, reorientation of the final helix and restructuring of the full station area, etc)—you just have to preserve the core fundamentals of the layout (element order, element heights, ride length, etc.) Giant Coaster was modified repeatedly throughout its life to adjust to its changing surroundings. Same can be true at SFGAdv.

It's just such an obviously good idea. Great ride. Huge marketing potential. Perfect fit.
 
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Zachary said:
Mike. Ryan. Two words: Wild One. Nostalgia play, thematically perfect, relatively cheap, tons of headlines for saving a piece of classic Americana (oldest operating coaster in the US if you save it!), and you'll earn an infinite amount of goodwill from the thoosies while also AUTHENTICALLY filling a massive gap in your lineup (classic, historic family wooden coaster).

You can even pay tribute to your own former classic woodie which previous ownership so foolishly destroyed, Rolling Thunder, by reinterpreting the "Wild One" name as a major costal storm battering The Boardwalk.

Call up CGI or GravityGroup—either can do it—both companies have either done or shown interest in doing similar resurrection projects previously. The layout can be altered (angle of the curve, direction of the curve, orientation of the final helix, the full station area, etc), you just have to preserve the core fundamentals of the layout (element order, element heights, ride length, etc.) Giant Coaster was modified repeatedly throughout its life to adjust to new surroundings. Same can be true at SFGAdv.

It's just such an obviously good idea. Great ride. Huge marketing potential. Perfect fit.
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My only worry with Wild One is that the Six Flags old guard may have been shitty about maintenance and made it hard to move or salvage for some reason. But I have zero real knowledge of how ride maintenance and relocation goes.
 
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the_pantsmith said:
My only worry with Wild One is that the Six Flags old guard may have been shitty about maintenance and made it hard to move or salvage for some reason. But I have zero real knowledge of how ride maintenance and relocation goes.
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Ideally they'd bring over salvageable parts of the existing coaster (even if that just boils down to some signage, trains, etc), but honestly they could go full Zippin Pippin on it and essentially rebuild it as a "new" old coaster for all I care. Every wooden coaster is a Ship of Theseus problem, and that is especially true for Giant Coaster/Wild One. Preserving the vibe and general ride experience of the coaster (height, speed, element sequence, retro woodie airtime, strong laterals through largely unbanked turns, simple hills and turns, etc) is all I care about. Wooden coasters simply aren't designed like that anymore—and something with that exact vibe is precisely what SFGAdv needs in my opinion.
 
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