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In Coliwood’s video he had an expert confirm the height. That expert was a digital media coordinator. Not a structural engineer or anyone within the construction team.

Just sayin

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^^^^^This

Yeaaaah, after watching the video I'll sign on to most of this forum's skepticism about the new claim. Highly unprofessional and a major problem if Mack gave the wrong specs, Six Flags got a measurement wrong in the site evaluation stage, or Six Flags simply filed an inaccurate FAA filing. These things do matter. And if this is Six Flags taking "funny" measurements now to get the number for PR purposes, that's not great, either. As others have said, we'll know if there's any legitimacy to this if they amend the FAA filing. For now, I'd like to hear 382' from additional people than the new digital media coordinator that this is the number. I'd feel better if this were coming from Ryan or Stephen K with an explanation of how this happened, if true.
 
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So…an expert in generating discussion online?
Look man. Or guy. We have 24 days left of speculations. After years of following this and despite the obvious, nothing has leaked. I’m going to have fun and enjoy the next 24 days. Tin foil hat on and everything.
You don’t know when we’ll get another experience like this again. Watching from survey to demo to markers to parts to construction to now. It’s been a heck of a ride … one we are incredibly fortunate enough to have with such untethered access from start to finish.

Anything is possible my guy. Enjoy the next few weeks
 
Yes. These things are engineered to insanely tight tolerances. There's no way in hell the tower should ever just accidentally be 7 feet taller than it was designed to be.

I mean maybe grading below the highest point was done improperly or just hasn't been completed yet? If it's the former, that's a major mistake. If it's the latter, it's dishonest to be measuring and publicizing anything right now. I suspect it's more likely that there's some funny business being done with how exactly the point of grade is being selected below the tower—for example, selecting the lowest point of grade beneath the entire tower and using that for the "height above grade" calculation rather than the actual finished (which again, may not even be finalized yet!) grade directly beneath the highest point of the tower.

I haven't watched the video yet, but is there any mention of the FAA permit? I'll actually believe the tower is 382 feet tall if/when the park files an amendment with the FAA legally declaring it as such. Until then, I think this all smells mighty fishy.

Lastly, THIS is why coaster heights being measured by anything other than max continuous drop height is absolute bullshit, kids. SFGAdv shouldn't just be able to dig a hole under the highest point of this coaster to magically make it 7 feet taller. Riders physically experience the max drop height regardless of where exactly the highest point is located. It's obviously far more sane to use that number to compare coasters' heights, not super easily fungible, ever-evolving-due-to-erosion, numbers like max height above grade.
No mention of FAA filing. Just Jason, the digital media coordinator, saying "we measured" and it's taller than they believed. "I was told" the train will reach 375.'
 
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To be clear, the 375 foot number does not actually matter. The number that matters is 502 feet. That's the actual height from an FAA perspective. It sits on 127feet of elevation, I could see it sitting lower than 127 feet without changing the math and they are calculating it funny.
 
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Yes. These things are engineered to insanely tight tolerances. There's no way in hell the tower should ever just accidentally be 7 feet taller than it was designed to be.

I mean maybe grading below the highest point was done improperly or just hasn't been completed yet? If it's the former, that's a major mistake. If it's the latter, it's dishonest to be measuring and publicizing anything right now. I suspect it's more likely that there's some funny business being done with how exactly the point of grade is being selected below the tower—for example, selecting the lowest point of grade beneath the entire tower and using that for the "height above grade" calculation rather than the actual finished (which again, may not even be finalized yet!) grade directly beneath the highest point of the tower.

I haven't watched the video yet, but is there any mention of the FAA permit? I'll actually believe the tower is 382 feet tall if/when the park files an amendment with the FAA legally declaring it as such. Until then, I think this all smells mighty fishy.

Lastly, THIS is why coaster heights being measured by anything other than max continuous drop height is absolute bullshit, kids. SFGAdv shouldn't just be able to dig a hole under the highest point of this coaster to magically make it 7 feet taller. Riders physically experience the max drop height regardless of where exactly the highest point is located. It's obviously far more sane to use that number to compare coasters' heights, not super easily fungible, ever-evolving-due-to-erosion, numbers like max height above grade.
So essentially tormenta is the only fake giga. Height don't mean shit. How far am i dropping?
 
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To be clear, the 375 foot number does not actually matter. The number that matters is 502 feet. That's the actual height from an FAA perspective. It sits on 127feet of elevation, I could see it sitting lower than 127 feet without changing the math and they are calculating it funny.
Absolutely. But that's a worrisome problem, too. Did they measure the grade incorrectly and file incorrectly originally? Did they change the grade during construction and that altered the final height? Did they measure from one of the holes dug for conduit in the last day or two to fudge the height here at the end? We don't know until we hear more. But any of the former grade possibilities shouldn't have been a factor. They should've had those things planned out and known ahead of time. Shouldn't be any surprises of this scale in construction at the last minute. It's not like, 'whoops, we need a little more concrete than we thought.' A 127' grade shouldn't surprise and become 120.' It's not like construction manager Stephen doesn't talk or coordinate with Mike and Ryan. I don't think in the last few days he walked into Ryan's office and said, "Hey, so I've got some surprising news..." If so, it could also be on Mack's end, which would be equally surprising and a bad look, and far less likely.

Not a great look that the park's story, as of right now, is somebody literally measured for some reason and they just learned in the past couple days that the whole ride is 7' taller than every piece of info they had over the past two years and was put on all the necessary filings and engineering plans they made. Jason implicitly acknowledged "they" [the park? just the PR team?] did not know the ride would be 382' tall and it was a surprise to them, also seeming to confirm that 375' on the FAA filing is legit as Jason agreed as Colin said it's taller than planned. There needs to be a detailed explanation from somebody.
 
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I’ve limited to no knowledge on FAA filings other then what I’ve seen following the journey of Falcon 9 to starship with space x

If let’s say the tower is larger then the original FAA filling, what does it take to make an amendment and how big of an issue can this be for the current construction. Is this like a halt all progress kinda blunder or what
 
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I’ve limited to no knowledge on FAA filings other then what I’ve seen following the journey of Falcon 9 to starship with space x

If let’s say the tower is larger then the original FAA filling, what does it take to make an amendment and how big of an issue can this be for the current construction. Is this like a halt all progress kinda blunder or what
From what I understand, it's not the end of the world. They file an amended document. But it's not a good look.
 
Hear me out

Coliwood has been teasing the whole gargantuan thing for a little bit now. So much so that it seems too obvious he’s in on the gag.

What if, and it’s a big what if, but what if the 382 ft video is really teaser and a riddle….

They’ve done crazy things before for marketing campaigns

I googled what the numbers 3,8 and 2 have to do with sea creatures and this is what came up

“In the ocean, the numbers 3, 8, and 2 directly refer to the anatomy of the octopus. The octopus uniquely possesses 3 hearts and 8 arms (sometimes colloquially called tentacles). The 2 refers to how the hearts are split: 2 branchial hearts pump blood to the gills, while 1 systemic heart circulates blood to the rest of the body.“


Now what legendary sea monster relates to an octopus?

“The octopus has long inspired tales of terrifying sea monsters, most famously the legendary Kraken of Scandinavian folklore”

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Insanely unlikely but we have less than a month left so let’s have fun with it.
I was thinking it could insinuate something, glad I wasn't the only one to think of such a stretch.
 
Absolutely. But that's a worrisome problem, too. Did they measure the grade incorrectly and file incorrectly originally? Did they change the grade during construction and that altered the final height? Did they measure from one of the holes dug for conduit in the last day or two to fudge the height here at the end? We don't know until we hear more. But any of the former grade possibilities shouldn't have been a factor. They should've had those things planned out and known ahead of time. Shouldn't be any surprises of this scale in construction at the last minute. It's not like, 'whoops, we need a little more concrete than we thought.' A 127' grade shouldn't surprise and become 120.' It's not like construction manager Stephen doesn't talk or coordinate with Mike and Ryan. I don't think in the last few days he walked into Ryan's office and said, "Hey, so I've got some surprising news..." If so, it could also be on Mack's end, which would be equally surprising and a bad look, and far less likely.

Not a great look that the park's story, as of right now, is somebody literally measured for some reason and they just learned in the past couple days that the whole ride is 7' taller than every piece of info they had over the past two years and was put on all the necessary filings and engineering plans they made. Jason implicitly acknowledged "they" [the park? just the PR team?] did not know the ride would be 382' tall and it was a surprise to them, also seeming to confirm that 375' on the FAA filing is legit as Jason agreed as Colin said it's taller than planned. There needs to be a detailed explanation from somebody.
You realize KA ended up filing an amended FAA filing and it wasn't a big deal?
 
You realize KA ended up filing an amended FAA filing and it wasn't a big deal?

u seem rather emotionally charged regarding this conversation. though there likely is no outcome involving consequences, it's probably just not best practice to have height discrepancies at all, let alone within 10 miles of a major Air Force installation
 
Emotionally charged? Lol people here are claiming the FAA filing is written in stone and never changes and this calls into question macks safety. It happens, and has happened to the former ride next to it. If they somehow kept the overall height (502ft) then there never was any "danger". KAs mistake was worse when they had to update the coordinates of the ride placement imo
 
THIS is why coaster heights being measured by anything other than max continuous drop height is absolute bullshit
Tell that one to (blackpool) pleasure beach who are, to this day, advertising the big one starting with sea level. They had trucks when hyperia was opening up all like "woe is me, we only have the second tallest coaster in the uk. Rather petty of thorpe to build it one foot taller than the big one 😩 (if you measure only the big one by sea level), almost as petty as us buying these trucks"

My bet is all in on some PR bs (mostly because I would really like to see how they are measuring the structure post construction and suddenly, just now realized they had the wrong calculations lmao), maybe to keep us on our toes or something, and if they genuinely just figured out they got the wrong calculations somehow then the necessary checks and addendums will be put in place in due time lol
 
Yes, and that'll probably be what happens here. In both cases, not a huge deal practically speaking, but both would be the result of screwups. Not exactly inspiring confidence when that's partly what the park has been trying to inspire since the merger.
I guess, I just dont see it as a screw up. We dont know if they realized something after the fact and possibly communicated this externally. We don't know the actual plans for the coaster other than the early FAA filings. The only thing about construction that I'm aware of that was unknown before they really started was they did not expect to find as many underground abandoned utilities and footers from older rides so they had to change some minor things as they went along. Hard to truly know what's underneath the ground until you dig the entire thing up. It's possible that had them slightly change the footers but it's hard to say unless they tell us.
 
I guess, I just dont see it as a screw up. We dont know if they realized something after the fact and possibly communicated this externally. We don't know the actual plans for the coaster other than the early FAA filings. The only thing about construction that I'm aware of that was unknown before they really started was they did not expect to find as many underground abandoned utilities and footers from older rides so they had to change some minor things as they went along. Hard to truly know what's underneath the ground until you dig the entire thing up. It's possible that had them slightly change the footers but it's hard to say unless they tell us.
Agreed. I think that's where everyone is with this -- they need to explain. Having one employee "oh, by the way" the height is totally different and even surprised us probably wasn't how this should've come out if they weren't prepared to talk about it.
 
This is the downside of using social media to communicate a lot of the project updates

Completely agree here. I support all of the communication and openness with the media/influencers, but the park also needs to do their own work establishing unfiltered ground truth. It's good that the park is using all of this free/earned publicity and they should continue doing so, but the park also needs to have a channel through which they can tell their own story on their own terms and, right now, it doesn't really feel like we have that.

I'm all for offering media/influencers first-run info and access, but I don't think it should be a replacement for the park presenting their own shit as well. If I were at the wheel, I'd run these events just as they have been, but then, after each one, I'd quickly scroll through what was said, what was shared, and what people are talking about in order to put out a short blog post or similar recapping that content in the park's voice and with the park's authoritative position as a business/entity, not just the words of one employee talking informally to an influencer.

Right now it feels like we're constantly in this loop where we're relying on content from influencers to hear what the park wants out there. Influencers who, to be clear, do have their own vested interest in pursuing clicks, views, and engagement—motivations which will not always align with the park's own priorities. Because of this, we have no way to fact check those influencers, get real, substantive explanations for points of potential confusion, know what is or is not the park's actual, official position, etc.

Don't think I've forgotten about this, Great Adventure:
TL;DR re the new ride and surroundings from Ryan:
[...]
- "Longer and larger than Kingda Ka." Definition of "larger" subject to interpretation, he said.
- "Surface area" and "overall track length" will be larger than Ka

The park is doing a great job overall, but there have been some minor communication missteps that feel like they could have been avoided if the park were also speaking for themselves in a more formalized, refined way. I get that Ryan and Co. are out there speaking off the cuff as hype men for the ride and the park—I think that is a good thing and should continue—and I accept that, in that setting, not every detail will always be relayed with bulletproof accuracy—in the context of the interaction, I think that is understandable and okay—should be avoided whenever possible of course, but it will happen. Because it is inevitable that mistakes will be made, in my opinion, to plot this course responsibility, I do think the park needs a way to present more grounded, very-strictly-factual information about their projects as well—in a setting where the park can collaborate on, read over, refine, and really strictly fact-check information with the experts who know the actual facts.
 
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