Project 2025/Holzfäller: Big Bad Wolf 2 (B&M Family Invert)
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No it's not. But your comments come off to me as a casual person with a high level interest in theme parks propping themselves up to us for being so invested in this situation intellectually and emotionally, if that wasn't your intention then I apologize that it came off to me that way but if it was your intent then I feel pretty comfortable identifying you as trolling. A lot of us hear stuff like that from the average person in casual conversation. High level yes, obviously a family coaster is a wise investment. We just know they were considering much more interesting and far better for the park long term projects, than a ride that may have low ridership, simply due to the fact that parkgoers will have absolutely no idea it's there and this takes away a significant amount of land the park can create a far more well thought out expansion on. When you're this passionate about something, it's jarring to see the people making the decisions display no passion whatsoever.
Considering the situation with the massive debt payment due in 2025, I have to ask, why couldn't they simply push bigger project back and build the family coaster anywhere else in the park? Or hell, maybe in the year you have such a massive amount of cash due, communicate to your parks that this wasn't the best year for massive capex additions so they can plan their projects accordingly?
For those not particularly familiar with business finance, $227.5m in cash is A LOT of cash to move at once, especially for a debt payment. If you pull the 10-Ks of all the regional theme park chains, you will find they often don't have NEARLY that much cash on hand at any given point.
A fair bit shorter (longer than the off the shelf models like Golden Lasso, Railblazer and Stunt Pilot) and the support placements don't really line up with what RMC has done for a Raptor so far.
@DECoasterGuy @Zachary @Nicole I'm sorry y'all, I don't see the merit of coming into this thread and turning it into a high level argument of "family coasters vs thrill coasters" that is not what we are focused on.
I agree that attempting to reframe the debate away from location and implying that most of us are objecting to the family coaster in principle could be interpreted as acting in bad faith. That said, I didn’t read that particular post as having been intended merely to irritate everyone. We do get actual trolls, and I don’t like using that pejorative casually.
This post was largely ignored because of the bickering, but thank you for posting this.
Gives us a clearest picture of layout as of late
Perhaps it's me--but I actually get the vibe of a coaster similar to that of Pipeline--a coaster that feels like it would need to have the curves like that to give you the sense of the weight you travel.
Perhaps a Surf Coaster, but themed as if you are doing something else; could be possible? Would certainly make more sense than a Family Invert given the scale of the layout. Could even allow a variability due to the way the seats move up and down.
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I’d love for it to be a Drachen themed Surfcoaster. Riding a Drachen. I really enjoyed the seat movement and what a surprise how great pipeline was.
Having the first stand-up coaster in the region, a new generation one at that, since Shockwave was demolished and Apocalypse was converted would be quite marketable.
and the German translation for Dragon Rider sounds cool: Drachenreiter
It'd probably be another launch coaster--but Surf Coaster has a variety to it that I think might actually be welcome compared to that of Pantheon, Tempesto, DarKastle, and Verbolten.
Something that lets you "Ride The Dragon" (DRAGON BALL Z INTENSIFIES) would be a hell of a marketing catchline too.
Something that lets you "Ride The Dragon" (DRAGON BALL Z INTENSIFIES) would be a hell of a marketing catchline too.
Take a look at Cobra's Curse, specifically the arc of the turns (going inward then rounding out) and the launch pauses, along with possible subterranean segment, and tell me we don't have a variation of "Drachen's Curse" coming...?
BGW hasn’t worked with Mack Rides since Wilde Maus I believe? Ride to Happiness at Plopsaland has been revered as spectacular ride. It would not shock me if BGW wants a piece of that with their own touches. This way you have the family thrill with the intensity of the spinning effects BGW lacks, and would be a first in VA. Google Maps shows similar turn geometry from aerial views on Ride to Happiness in a few sections that are similar to what we could be looking at.
I could be way off, but I feel that I am not. Thoughts?
BGW hasn’t worked with Mack Rides since Wilde Maus I believe? Ride to Happiness at Plopsaland has been revered as spectacular ride. It would not shock me if BGW wants a piece of that with their own touches. This way you have the family thrill with the intensity of the spinning effects BGW lacks, and would be a first in VA. Google Maps shows similar turn geometry from aerial views on Ride to Happiness in a few sections that are similar to what we could be looking at.
I could be way off, but I feel that I am not. Thoughts?
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Zachary's already been hinting in this thread that the initial guesses of a B&M Family Invert are likely correct and what the BGWFans article will be confirming. I feel like any of y'all who are theorizing anything else at this point are just wishfully thinking.
Folks. You really need to remember the meaning of life here.
As we all know, the meaning of life is 42(inches).
So... extrapolate from that starting point
As we all know, the meaning of life is 42(inches).
So... extrapolate from that starting point
I mean, if the park is willing to pay, they could probably get any manufacturer to modify their restraints to accommodate a smaller height than standard
“Drachen the Dastardly Spinning Dragon of 42 inches.” Coming 2025!Folks. You really need to remember the meaning of life here.
As we all know, the meaning of life is 42(inches).
So... extrapolate from that starting point
This would be very cool, but the layout doesn't look all that "Mack Family Spinning Coaster-y" to me?
Like everybody else here, I'm dreading the moment we get slapped hard in the face by reality, but it's probably best we take the next year or so to come to terms with it.
It's not gonna stop me from seething on the inside though.Even if it was a ridiculous high thrill coaster it could have utilized ALL of Festhaus Park or ALL of the boneyard. Using BOTH and neither to it's full potential is stupid. Personally I think the park desperately needs a 42" ride. My kids are tall, so they could ride every coaster by 6. Lots of kids can't ride anything but Grover for a long time. Also I am much more apt to ride a less intense ride more, but that's just me. My only issue with this is wasting so much potential space. I'd always hoped for a hamlet eventually.
I will admit it's frustrating to waste another hard won 300'+ height waver.
I will admit it's frustrating to waste another hard won 300'+ height waver.
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