I’m more excited for the restroom refurbs at this point
Project 2025/Holzfäller: Big Bad Wolf 2 (B&M Family Invert)
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IMO a family invert is better than the other two options. There's an RMC down the road, Spire was more of a gimmick than anything else, and the park could always use another family coaster. I'm all for this. Keep in mind, enthusiasts aren't the biggest customer base, families are.
Yes but the park already has 5 other family coasters and another invert. This literally adds basically nothing of real value to the lineup, and it wastes a space that could be used for something else. Plus, a large RMC hyper would be a vastly different ride experience from Twisted Timbers.
With KD slated to get the wing coaster in 2025, I have a feeling a lot of enthusiasts will be skipping out on BGW if this is really what they’re getting. I’m all for an invert to appeal to families, just not in Festhaus..
I have a friend whose little girl loved Phantom's Revenge. Tons of families enjoy thrill rides, too.
Yes but thrill rides are limited in appeal because of their nature. Source: I'm a ride operator for one.
And family-friendly rides are also limited in appeal because of their nature. Source: Me, they don't often catch my interest.
My intent was more to point out that "Family"/"GP"/"Thrill"/"Enthusiast" are pretty limited terms. Also, even if the park needed another low-intensity ride, as others have pointed out, the benefits for placing it on this plot of land seem heavily outweighed by the missed opportunities.
I feel like some people are just conditioned to say this “they could always use/always need a family coaster” as a coping mechanism/knee jerk reaction to when a new ride is a disappointment in this industry.
BGW already has 3 family coasters! And I don’t even count LNM as one which some people do. They arguably have the most diverse/accessible lineup of family coasters outside of a Disney park and that was BEFORE this project. They just added one last year! They most certainly do not need another one right now, and certainly not at this location.
BGW already has 3 family coasters! And I don’t even count LNM as one which some people do. They arguably have the most diverse/accessible lineup of family coasters outside of a Disney park and that was BEFORE this project. They just added one last year! They most certainly do not need another one right now, and certainly not at this location.
Family coasters are objectively a good thing for a theme park to invest in. Giving valuable real estate to them because corporate said to cut as many corners as possible, we literally have to pay $227.5m in cash within 2 years we don’t have that omg, no we can’t put a massive down payment on a huge RMC now this bank wants pretty much our entire cash balance ASAP is not great and shows a real lack of synergy between the park and corporate.
Here's my layout analysis based on what footers I saw. Blue being lifts, yellow being brakes, red being regular track.
I am a little confused about the first half of the ride before the boneyard as there's very little foundations and the pattern seemed to travel over the Drachen Fire maintenance building. Super weird.
I am a little confused about the first half of the ride before the boneyard as there's very little foundations and the pattern seemed to travel over the Drachen Fire maintenance building. Super weird.
Uh, no. I actually prefer family coasters. They're easy to re-ride and are plain fun instead of trying to rip your head off. My home park was BGT until late last year and I still prefer Cheetah Hunt/Cobra's Curse to the other coasters in the park. My top 3 are X2, Guardians Cosmic Rewind, and Hagrids. And I live in the state with Velocicoaster and Iron Gwazi so that's saying something.
Missed opportunities in the eyes of enthusiasts. You can make that argument for any plot of land.
Insane that a single park can have two (three if you count Pantheon) of the worst ride placements in theme park history.
Hard disagree. Say you bought a nice, big house. The front half of the house has a huge living room, dining room, kitchen, foyer, office, and hell, even a theater room. It's a nice ass house. Then, the back half of the house is connected to the rest of the house via a hallway off of kitchen. Back in the back half, you have nice, large bedrooms, bathrooms, closets, whatever.
For this new house, you go find a nice, custom, L-shaped, sectional. It's pretty sweet—it's expensive—it's from a top designer even—and it's really goddamn heavy. This bad boy takes a whole crew to move and install and it ain't ever movin' again. That said, you have a huge house so why not—it fits almost anywhere in your new place!
When it comes time to sign the paperwork for this new piece and setup delivery, the store explains that they have a unique, more equitable approach to furniture delivery costs. Instead of paying a flat fee to have it delivered to the correct room, they charge a fee per room they have to walk through to get the furniture in place.
The sectional probably belongs in your living room—that's where sectionals go. It makes sense from practical and aesthetics standpoints. That said, to get the sectional to your living room, it will cost slightly more to have it delivered. In fact, you may even have to downgrade from the sectional with the RGB LED-lined cup holders that change colors based on the temperature of your drink.
After pondering for a bit, you decide those cup holders are a must and you're only paying for your new sectional to be delivered through two rooms of your house as that's all the money you have left in the bank.
Delivery day arrives. Since you spent every dime on the sectional and held back nearly nothing to actually have it installed, it can only pass through a single room in your house. What is right off the foyer (room 1)? The kitchen. Say hello to your new kitchen sectional. That's, pretty objectively, stupid. Sectionals don't belong in kitchens. It's a square peg in a round hole. No one is going to look for this gorgeous expanse of seating in a kitchen. It will be ignored and useless.
There's another, even bigger problem too though. The sectional is such a bad fit for your kitchen that the only way to install it was to block the entire hallway to the back of your house—cutting you off from even accessing a ton of the rooms you own. That's beyond stupid.
What we are decrying here is waste. Jury is still out on whether the waste is caused by ignorance or laziness or even extravagance—but the waste could not be more overt and obvious.
You may not agree, but I tend to think there is likely, legitimately, a moral component to waste. Obviously the park owns their land and I believe they should generally be able to do with it as they see fit. That doesn't make any decision they make right though—it just makes it typically allowed.
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Saying the park has 5 family coasters already is a big stretch. Just because something is a "low" height doesn't make it a family ride.
LNM is NOT a family ride. Grover is a kiddie coaster, hardly a family ride. Verbolten is one I'm not sure I fully classify as a family ride either. Invadr can be intense for some.
BGW lacks in the "all" riders can enjoy this ride category. I look at Slinky dog and cheetah hunt and hope for something in the middle there. The length, if the early predictions above are accurate is definitely disappointing.
LNM is NOT a family ride. Grover is a kiddie coaster, hardly a family ride. Verbolten is one I'm not sure I fully classify as a family ride either. Invadr can be intense for some.
BGW lacks in the "all" riders can enjoy this ride category. I look at Slinky dog and cheetah hunt and hope for something in the middle there. The length, if the early predictions above are accurate is definitely disappointing.
Different opinion does not equal troll. Ugh.
Magic-Man this plot in particular is huge and wide open, and tucked way in the back of the park away from everything. People aren’t really taking much issue because it’s a family coaster. The problem is it may be blocking their best opportunity for something huge to round out the thrill coaster collection. This family style coaster can fit elsewhere, but maybe a larger coaster cannot.
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In any scenario, we still don’t need THREE family coasters in ONE section of the park. Put it closer to Italy, imo. I get that family coasters are almost always a great investment, BUT, as many others, this seems like a gargantuan waste of space. This even has an out and back layout which seems extremely off of for an invert, leading me to believe this isn’t even an invert. Could Seaworld be experimenting with one of Gerstlauer’s family coasters if it is indeed a family coaster? Something like Pegase Express at Parc Asterix could very well fit here. I still have hope that it could be an infinity coaster though—given they can have extremely complex layouts in a small footprint, or a big footprint, akin to Schwurz des Karnan. Something about the layout just doesn’t seem right to be a family invert to me, especially with the out and back aspect. Usually inverts have a twistier layout, whereas this layout has almost a mystic Timbers vibe from a top down view.
One need only look at Dollywood to illuminate the disappointment in how BGW continues to expand. Big Bear Mountain has been a huge success and is a wonderful coaster, a proper expansion that utilized the land very well, and had some innovations that showcased a manufacturer’s newfound abilities. I believe that is how you move the needle in attendance and excitement - growing smartly.
I’m not sure that this park knows the difference anymore.
I’m not sure that this park knows the difference anymore.
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