What statistics? I agree that people who go golfing are trying to get away from family, but you still have to put on the act. That’s why the golfing/amusement park combo works so well. A family vacation without actually having to deal with your family.Let the statistics speak for themselves. Plus, most people who go golfing are trying to get away from the familybetter yet for golf tourism. It's a leisure sport and activity.
Project 2025/Holzfäller: Big Bad Wolf 2 (B&M Family Invert)
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Here, a golfing site explicitly lists busch gardens as a reason to choose Williamsburg for your next golfing foray
www.golfvirginia.com
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For example, Busch Gardens, Ripley's Believe It or Not!, Water Country USA, York River State Park, the Jamestown Settlement and Pirate's Cove Adventure Golf deliver plenty of family entertainment, and the Kimball Theatre and the Williamsburg Winery serve up adult fare. The Abbey Aldrich Rockefeller Folk Art Museum and the DeWitt Wallace Decorative Arts Museum should appeal to those travelers with artistic leanings. And visitors craving unusual adventures should be certain to visit the Go Ape Treetop Adventure Course.
When it's time to slip into the soft spikes, golfers will likely be surprised at how many excellent courses exist within the Williamsburg region. Many of golf's biggest-name designers have laid out tracks nearby, and whether golfers choose to tee it up at the semi-private Kiskiack Golf Club or the public Colonial Golf Course, they will likely look back at their visit to Williamsburg fondly.”
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For example, Busch Gardens, Ripley's Believe It or Not!, Water Country USA, York River State Park, the Jamestown Settlement and Pirate's Cove Adventure Golf deliver plenty of family entertainment, and the Kimball Theatre and the Williamsburg Winery serve up adult fare. The Abbey Aldrich Rockefeller Folk Art Museum and the DeWitt Wallace Decorative Arts Museum should appeal to those travelers with artistic leanings. And visitors craving unusual adventures should be certain to visit the Go Ape Treetop Adventure Course.
When it's time to slip into the soft spikes, golfers will likely be surprised at how many excellent courses exist within the Williamsburg region. Many of golf's biggest-name designers have laid out tracks nearby, and whether golfers choose to tee it up at the semi-private Kiskiack Golf Club or the public Colonial Golf Course, they will likely look back at their visit to Williamsburg fondly.”
This is a dumb argument to be having in the 2024 project thread, especially considering how much is going into it at this point.
Not here if at all - hard to say if the RMC media team is just trolling or are serious they may use the concept at some point. But given height and land restrictions, something tells me they don't need to use a brand new design since it's unlikely the ride would go 300' or higher. Of course, maybe it could if they were to keep the DS valley drop?
I'm not on the T-Rex train myself yet, BUT I can imagine a 220ft tall structure with no foundations or supports available to reuse possibly being a good time to break out a new ground-up coaster design. Projects this large don't come around very often...
Ok this is not to come at anyone in the thread or anything just an observation but… how come the conversation of BGW can’t get a hybrid because KD has one hasn’t come up, like when people were saying KD couldn’t get that long rumored B&M hyper because of Apollo. I’m just wondering cause I thought there’s was a KD BGW balance or is that not a real thing lol?
It's not a real thing.
Sometimes parks will look for something unique to their region to add more pull to the park but that's never anything set in stone. I think the important distinction is that people talking about RMC are under the (false, IMHO) impression that said RMC would be a giga because of RMC's tease on Reddit. If that were to be the case, then a RMC giga would certainly be the pull to BGW over KD on ride alone but KD adding a fairly typical B&M hyper is not going to be different enough.
I mean the park has the first B&M Hyper, there’s nothing similar to Pantheon or DarKoaster overall in the US. Verbolten doesn’t have a similar model in the US anywhere.
Aren’t those just launch coasters??? I guess the drop on verbolten is pretty unique.
I'm not sure what you define as a "regional park" but me personally I consider that everything outside the huge destination parks of Disney and Universal. Id say parks like Cedar Point border between the two, but I still lean towards calling it regional considering far fewer people travel halfway across the country to go there when you compare it to Ohioans.
That said, EVERY first of a kind roller coaster I can think of usually happens at a "regional" park. Regional parks have to make bigger headlines and take bigger risks to attract a huge audience, parks like Disney and Universal tend to prefer lower risk additions since they mainly need uptime.
That said, EVERY first of a kind roller coaster I can think of usually happens at a "regional" park. Regional parks have to make bigger headlines and take bigger risks to attract a huge audience, parks like Disney and Universal tend to prefer lower risk additions since they mainly need uptime.
All the time!
Cedar Point got the first ever hyper, giga and strata coasters.
The first ever B&M Invert went to SFGAm. This ride literally ignited the coaster wars of the 1990s as many parks wanted them and CP, BGT and BGW consecutively built bigger versions of it. The success of this coaster allowed B&M to expand their product line as we saw their first hyper at BGW with AC and their first Floorless Medusa at SFGAd in 1999. Griffon was the first floorless dive coaster in 2007 and in 2014 Holiday World got B&Ms first launched wing coaster.
Pantheon and DarKoaster are terrible arguments IMHO. Your point is very valid though.
If Pantheon opened on time then the fast switch track would have been the main innovation - first of it's kind in the US. Of course, that didn't happen and Hagrid's opened first with a similar system... But two (I think) and a lot more complicated set of computer automated controls.
However, VB had the first drop track, which is especially interesting given that Zierer built it where they usually build more compact junior rides without flashy elements.
DK's double circuit may be kind of unique, but it's just another application of Intamin's fast switch track technology so nothing ground-breaking.
However, when we look at KD by comparison - the prototype S&S air-powered launch coaster purchased straight from the test lot with some minor modifications but not ready for prime-time in Hypersonic XLC; Volcano was the first full-circuit Intamin LIM launched inverted coaster (sounded like it was also a prototype, though not straight from a test lot). If I remember correctly, I-305 is the first major coaster from Intamin with the double spine - I would say the unique combo of elements makes it like a new ride concept, but tbh it's an Intamin that pushed some boundaries like they do, so par for the course.
But since this got way off topic, to get back to it, do we collectively think it's not necessarily going to be an Intamin ride since they've completed their 2 ride deal (Pantheon and DK)?
However, VB had the first drop track, which is especially interesting given that Zierer built it where they usually build more compact junior rides without flashy elements.
DK's double circuit may be kind of unique, but it's just another application of Intamin's fast switch track technology so nothing ground-breaking.
However, when we look at KD by comparison - the prototype S&S air-powered launch coaster purchased straight from the test lot with some minor modifications but not ready for prime-time in Hypersonic XLC; Volcano was the first full-circuit Intamin LIM launched inverted coaster (sounded like it was also a prototype, though not straight from a test lot). If I remember correctly, I-305 is the first major coaster from Intamin with the double spine - I would say the unique combo of elements makes it like a new ride concept, but tbh it's an Intamin that pushed some boundaries like they do, so par for the course.
But since this got way off topic, to get back to it, do we collectively think it's not necessarily going to be an Intamin ride since they've completed their 2 ride deal (Pantheon and DK)?
I guess there might be an argument for Pantheon but I feel like the Parc Asterisk coaster and VC kind of deadened the punch..... You're right though that if it opened on time that might feel a lot different.
I absolutely agree with your Apollo's and VB take..... I was just not feeling the Paneon/DK argument.
It's kind of funny that in my first draft of my comment I literally listed all of these things but then I felt like there were plenty of other examples..... but while we're at it, I also Steel Curtain, SkyRocket, Xcelerator, Wildcat (HP). Flying Turns, and Voyage.
I personally wouldn't be surprised if it's a third Intamin but I think it's really open to anything at this point.
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