Strongly, strongly doubt it. Cedar Fair is all about playing it safe with their recent additions.
Project 2025/Caldera: Rapterra (Launched B&M Wing Coaster)
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Man, the recent talk about it in this chat brought hopes up.
But wasn’t the new Wild Mouse a prototype? And the Dragster refurb is allegedly the first to use the new Lightning trains? I’m aware they’ve worked with Zamperla dozens of times in the past. But they’ve gone to Gerstlauer on a few occasions as well. At most though, I think KD could use the infinity invert in Old Va later, while a standard infinity replaces Volcano.
A Theme Park Predictions video recently highlighted that Canada’s Wonderlands was a possible candidate for an inverted coaster that launches through the top of a mountain and I’m not sure if I’m more angry or sad.
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I feel like the obvious choice for Canada’s Wonderland would be the wing. They don’t have enough room in their Mountain without tearing something out - which they could do, I suppose. But they have a few other mediocre rides that need replacing first. A wing would be the best fit.
This mountain inverted coaster…in a way, I almost wonder if it’s a red herring. It’s visually similar in many ways to Volcano, and something like this would be straight beautiful fan service at KD. If KD took this concept, rebuilt a mountain, and built this as the Volcano replacement, CF has the potential to compete against BGW’s 50th 220 ft. project. CF could take this and craft a great thematic story for this ride, and looking at BGW’s theming track record, make for a much better ride experience.
So do we still think this could be a 2024 project or are things moving to slow for that to be a possibility?
Very unlikely. For a major 2024 steel coaster, I think construction would need to begin soon, like around Cedar Fair's announcement day. If they were doing more than just clearing out rubble, it might've been more likely, but there's no evidence of that.
*Veruca Salt feeling staring at Volcano Plot*
I mean I'm not surprised with Dragsters refurb and the Dive going to Dorney. We don't see much movement at the other CF parks for anything right now either. Maybe they'll add a Zamperla flat or two for 2024?
I mean I'm not surprised with Dragsters refurb and the Dive going to Dorney. We don't see much movement at the other CF parks for anything right now either. Maybe they'll add a Zamperla flat or two for 2024?
As much as I would want Volcano’s replacement to be coming next year, I just really they’re gonna save that for the 50th in 2025.
My instinct is saying that we’re getting a Soak City addition next year, as much as I don’t want that to happen. I wouldn’t mind a flat ride package, I feel like the park could really use it. Maybe they could put them in Candy Apple Grove since Jungle X-Pedition has little to no room.
My instinct is saying that we’re getting a Soak City addition next year, as much as I don’t want that to happen. I wouldn’t mind a flat ride package, I feel like the park could really use it. Maybe they could put them in Candy Apple Grove since Jungle X-Pedition has little to no room.
My only issue is that KD seems lopsided, in the flatride-coaster balance. The right side of the park is fairly flat-heavy, and the left is fairly coaster heavy, with not a lot to help balance that out. Taking BGW as an example (though it may not be most ideal), the sections of the park with lots of coasters (read: Festa italia) also feature a variety of flats to balance that out. Pantheon, Apollo, and tempesto in one area? Well, here’s a teacups, a himalaya ride, and kiddie himalaya ride, plus a rapids ride. Oktoberfest? Verbolten and Darkoaster, balanced out by bumper cars, waveswinger, and roto Baron.
My point is, there should be a flat or two to balance out each coaster. The left of the park at KD features many coasters with little to offer a balance. I305, FoF, BSC, Anaconda, Reptilian, and Tumbili are balanced with… a scrambler. Racer, Apple Zapple, and Timbers are balanced with windseeker, carousel, bad apple, delirium, and drop tower.
Ideally, a flatride package would make the most sense because it would fix the lopsided-Ness of that area of the park.
My point is, there should be a flat or two to balance out each coaster. The left of the park at KD features many coasters with little to offer a balance. I305, FoF, BSC, Anaconda, Reptilian, and Tumbili are balanced with… a scrambler. Racer, Apple Zapple, and Timbers are balanced with windseeker, carousel, bad apple, delirium, and drop tower.
Ideally, a flatride package would make the most sense because it would fix the lopsided-Ness of that area of the park.
I am starting to wonder if KD is looking into the coaster vs. flat balance for this project, and considering JX is back to six coasters with the addition of Tumbili, they might be seeing their chance with that big hole left behind by Volcano.
I believe they could fit in one major flat ride alongside a compact but very thrilling coaster where Volcano used to be. They could also put one in CAG next to Delirium to use the rest of that space. I wouldn’t be so sure if a water park expansion is next because we only got Jungle X-Pedition and Grizzly retrack since Coconut Shores.
^Me acknowledging another a year of the speculation cycle.
I think Volcano’s plot being redeveloped is JX2.0 and their 50th celebration together.
At this point in time, I don't see a major coaster for 2024 on the Jungle X mountain site. I'm leaning toward a JX heavy themed flat ride package. Might include a major theme makeover for BLSC and some freshening up for Andaconda. Nothing changed for FOF and I-305 in 2024.
The only outlier possibility might be a phase 2A opening in 2024 with a phase 2B opening in 2025 to finish out Jungle X.
Tiny possibility of the final JX expansion, taking 2 years to construct, with a major opening in 2025 along with the 50th anniversary celebration.
The only outlier possibility might be a phase 2A opening in 2024 with a phase 2B opening in 2025 to finish out Jungle X.
Tiny possibility of the final JX expansion, taking 2 years to construct, with a major opening in 2025 along with the 50th anniversary celebration.
The burning question I have is if Volcano’s replacement will be accompanied with addition Jungle X expansion/retheming the same year, or if we’ll just get the coaster and then get more Jungle X expansion another year. The way I see it, the things Jungle X needs to be completed can be bucketed into the following 4 categories:
- Volcano replacement
- Backlot retheme (plus Anaconda?)
- I305 and FOF retheme
- General theming upgrades in the back half of the area
I think it should be 2 & 4 for 2024, 1 for 2025, and 3 for beyond. The true Volcano replacement would be a good "final piece" to complete the direct JX area IMO. I really don't know how you continue that theme all the way through FOF & I305.
Also would like to see a flat ride or two next year [insert Bernie Sanders "I am once again asking for a Gerstlauer Sky Roller" meme].
Also would like to see a flat ride or two next year [insert Bernie Sanders "I am once again asking for a Gerstlauer Sky Roller" meme].
I mentioned this on page 1 of this thread, but I wonder if the 50th Anniversary will be a two season celebration (like the 40th Anniversary in 2014 - 2015) and begin next year in 2024? If so, I could see this being a two part Jungle Xpedition project. Could Phase 2 (2024) be a retheme for the back part of Jungle X and Phase 3 (2025) be the larger Volcano replacement project?
If the larger Volcano replacement project doesn't happen until 2025, I certainly hope there is a smaller capital project planned for 2024. A flat or two like Kings Island (Sol Spin & Cargo Logo), Carowinds (Air Racer, Gear Spin, Airwalker, Gyro Force, & Windstar), or Canada's Wonderland (Tundra Twister) got this season would be great. The park really needs something to promote and sell season passes with this Fall and Winter...
If the larger Volcano replacement project doesn't happen until 2025, I certainly hope there is a smaller capital project planned for 2024. A flat or two like Kings Island (Sol Spin & Cargo Logo), Carowinds (Air Racer, Gear Spin, Airwalker, Gyro Force, & Windstar), or Canada's Wonderland (Tundra Twister) got this season would be great. The park really needs something to promote and sell season passes with this Fall and Winter...
According to past/current trends, the 50th anniversary will be a one-year celebration. My guess is it’ll most likely happen in 2025.
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