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RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?

Zachary said:
MadridBot isn't trolling. We've spoken a considerable amount behind the scenes and he seems like a fairly a good guy.
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Ahh, well that's good to hear. So it's his source we're iffy on? That changes the ballgame a bit.

I'm glad this thread is still going strong though after the Game of Thrones season ended. I was worried where I was going to find my entertainment with great writing, storytelling, and character development. I've found it here!
 
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RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?

2muchpopcorn said:
I Personally have been told some crazy stuff by an employee that i think he misheard. I Can share if you all would like but the info is practically useless.
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This is a rumor thread—have at it! For my sanity though, I'd appreciate it if, when you post it, you reiterate that it is a rumor a front-line employee told you and not something you think is really at all credible. Posts tend to be taken out of context by passers by and we don't want someone confusing baseless rumors for anything other than baseless rumors. :)
 
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RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?

FWIW, tomorrow is the last day for FAA public commentary:
Interested persons are invited to participate in the aeronautical study by submitting comments to the above
FAA address or through the electronic notification system. To be eligible for consideration, comments must
be relevant to the effect the structure would have on aviation, must provide sufficient detail to permit a clear
understanding, must contain the aeronautical study number printed in the upper right hand corner of this notice,
and must be received on or before 09/16/2017.
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There's no public comments yet, which I think would mean that it's going to get the FAA waiver too.
 
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RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?

A source of mine who has family that works decently high up in the park has recently confirmed that we well be seeing the park's biggest coaster to date and that it will be launching out of DF's old station dipping down to the the Rhine and then shooting up almost vertically to 310ft before plummeting back down and skimming back across the river while rolling ruch clear on the water before returning to the station.

Given that I know this source and her record on Tempesto and Invadr I can only conclude that we are likely gett 310ft flag pole with the world's largest American flag on it.
 
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Independent of how accurate that turns out to be... "skimming back across the river..." raises an interesting point of speculation: Whether it crosses the Rhine and from which side it originates is a question itself, but if it does cross the Rhine, is that a high or low crossing? High in this case meaning "high enough" i.e. "navigable." Yes, wondering about the fate of the Rhine River Cruises... do they go like LeMans did to make room for a coaster? (I guess the cruises wouldn't technically need to go due to space, but they would be hemmed in more...and maybe the coaster provides an excuse to get rid of them).
 
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RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?

I haven't said much in this thread, but I have heard from two people who worked on the deconstruction of Bitten. One honestly believed that they were removing Bitten due to asbestos in the building, and the other one said they were removing it for a giga coaster using the station.

For what it's worth, I don't really see either of these sources as reliable. It just shows that many people seem very "sure" about what this project is about, but most of them are probably wrong.
 
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RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?

thopping said:
Independent of how accurate that turns out to be... "skimming back across the river..." raises an interesting point of speculation: Whether it crosses the Rhine and from which side it originates is a question itself, but if it does cross the Rhine, is that a high or low crossing? High in this case meaning "high enough" i.e. "navigable." Yes, wondering about the fate of the Rhine River Cruises... do they go like LeMans did to make room for a coaster? (I guess the cruises wouldn't technically need to go due to space, but they would be hemmed in more...and maybe the coaster provides an excuse to get rid of them).
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My guess is that it'll be high(er) then the San Marco bridge. The land seems to be a little more elevated back there, and there's the elevation of supports. If they create the supports to not interfere with the path of the cruise like they did with the bridge and the tressle, it'll be fine.
 
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RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?

Alright so what i was told by a ride op was that he was a told a ride was being removed to make way for a 315ft tall roller coaster. as for what ride that he told me is being removed he said Alpie was being removed in my mind i immediately called bullshit in my mind as alpie still holds a record and still runs smoothly most of the time. yea but it was just a ride op that prob. misheard something. im personally 50/50 on giga and starflyer
 
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RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?

There's no coaster behind this 6 foot privacy fence. Just some giant artwork.
 
RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?

IF there is a Rhine crossing, I think at least one direction probably is somewhat low to the water.  Maybe the apex is higher than the bridge like MadridBot thinks, and I agree w/ him there's probably a way to keep the river navigable if they wanted to.  However, with the high point being on the edge of Festa Field, if a drop is towards the Rhine... the base of that drop is going to have to be the water...and with that much momentum from a 300'+ drop, it probably makes sense to continue across the Rhine vs. bank or start back up mid-river.   Plus, there's opportunity for cool interplay with the river.  

And IF all of this speculation has anything to it... my money is on the cruises being a goner.  Anyone have the ride stats for them?  Ridership may not justify the fuel and other operating costs.   So like many rumors, the ride "being removed" one may have some grain of truth to it, but rumors mutate and loose credibility the further they spread, to the point where when they make it to ride ops or tram/railway drivers...you get "new ride...Alpie is going away."   I think that has a snowball's chance (no pun intended) of happening. Alpie is one of the best B&M inverts there are, and the park should add more B&Ms, not remove them.  :) (I still want this "attraction" to be a B&M...though it seems Intamin is more commonly speculated now for whatever reason).
 
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RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?

Why so certain this is going to go to the water if it is a roller coaster? They might not and still cross the river.

Reason I'm saying that is I don't think they would do away with the cruises. Every time I've walked past that part of the park there's a decent line. They also use them for the Wine festival (did that last year) for a longer cruise.

If this is crossing the river I think that they would want to stay far enough over the river to have clearance.
 
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RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?

I'm not.  Just random speculation.  :)

My thinking is based on the high point being so high and so close to the river bank, as in: http://parkfans.net/attachment.php?aid=11275

There are certainly ways to build something there and that high and keep the river navigable...and for that matter, this could be self-contained in Festa Field and never go to the river. Recent discussion has involved the river and Drachen's station though, and with the high point being on the opposite bank...I'm just speculating that it seems like a lot of momentum to accommodate, and coming back across the Rhine low would perhaps explain some comments people have heard such as "skimming" across the Rhine and a that ride is going to be "removed" in conjunction with the new attraction.

I haven't paid attention to, much less ridden, the cruises in decades, so thanks for the line data and note about F&W (I didn't know that; never actually been there during F&W).

Mind you, I'm not advocating their removal nor saying there's a good chance they'd need to go, I'm just saying it could explain some things and really "I wouldn't be surprised if..."  Kinda like LeMans...  sure, they needed to remove them for Grif, but they could have relocated them somewhere... it was a good excuse to get rid of an older ride system that required lots of costly fuel, no matter how much nostalgia people had for them.

Personally, what I'd like to see actually is keep the Cruises, but move them downstream as part of a maritime-themed hamlet (maybe Barcelona if thinking Spain; someone once had an idea for Greece).
 
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RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?

Skimming the river was sarcasm (I'm like 95% sure of that) and the removing a ride is just nothing to go off of.
 
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RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?

2muchpopcorn said:
Alright so what i was told by a ride op was that he was a told a ride was being removed to make way for a 315ft tall roller coaster. as for what ride that he told me is being removed he said Alpie was being removed in my mind i immediately called bullshit in my mind as alpie still holds a record and still runs smoothly most of the time. yea but it was just a ride op that prob. misheard something. im personally 50/50 on giga and starflyer
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That's most likely a low employee rumor. That is the 3rd time I have heard an employee say that alpengeist is being removed.
 
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RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?

If this is the case I don't believe it will be too low. You don't want the tracks underwater during a flood. Also a corkscrew or a hill with enough clearance would be really cool to go under during a river cruise.
 
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RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?

I'd expect no lower than Nessie. Agree a cruise under it would be cool; maybe I'd go back on it for that. :)
 
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How about a tunnel under the river and shooting up to 300+ ft. That would still keep the natural aesthetic of the river banks and not impede the cruise. Problem solved.
 
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