Project 2022: Pantheon
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RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?
Just to make a point about what staff say. The conductor on the train a few minutes ago pointed out DF buildings and said that they would be housing a house next month for Hallow Scream we of course know tgis to be wrong.
On a side not there appears to be new ultilies work gping on from Invadr to the the DK site I hope to have pictures soon. There of course is NOT necessarily a concection to the prodject but it is interesting given the rumors of a launch that would require lots of power.
Just to make a point about what staff say. The conductor on the train a few minutes ago pointed out DF buildings and said that they would be housing a house next month for Hallow Scream we of course know tgis to be wrong.
On a side not there appears to be new ultilies work gping on from Invadr to the the DK site I hope to have pictures soon. There of course is NOT necessarily a concection to the prodject but it is interesting given the rumors of a launch that would require lots of power.
RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?
Theoretically, what kind of enhanced "price consideration" might Intamin offer BGW in return for the park/Larry Giles dropping the alleged blanket ban on new projects with the company?
There is a healthy amount of work to compete for around the world, so I don't think Intamin really needs BGW at all per se. On the other hand, a showcase project in a well known park is always valuable, and I doubt Intamin even had a shot at bidding to supply any of BGW's last half-dozen substantial attractions (maybe more). At some point you want the black eye to heal... and the park is probably more enthusiastic these days to entertain bids that count price as one of their most attractive features.
Theoretically, what kind of enhanced "price consideration" might Intamin offer BGW in return for the park/Larry Giles dropping the alleged blanket ban on new projects with the company?
There is a healthy amount of work to compete for around the world, so I don't think Intamin really needs BGW at all per se. On the other hand, a showcase project in a well known park is always valuable, and I doubt Intamin even had a shot at bidding to supply any of BGW's last half-dozen substantial attractions (maybe more). At some point you want the black eye to heal... and the park is probably more enthusiastic these days to entertain bids that count price as one of their most attractive features.
RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?
Oh, yes!
Let's kill the airtime on Apollo's Chariot by changing the trains to floorless trains and adding unnecessary OTSRs.
warfelg said:
Oh, yes!
Let's kill the airtime on Apollo's Chariot by changing the trains to floorless trains and adding unnecessary OTSRs.
RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?
Something to consider, part of the alleged ban, and I still wonder if Larry has been quoted out of context, (was he just angry when over heard, is this written down, or was he just having an off day, et al) Does BGW still carry the same cache where is can push the industry around like before. Can it really afford to make dogmatic and absolute statements about manufactures?
Why is everyone so confident that the park would go with B&M? What evidence is there to that end? They have not built a B&M in a very long time. IT seems to me that the park is actually trying to maintain a variety of builders, and frankly I like that. I prefer a variation.
Something to consider, part of the alleged ban, and I still wonder if Larry has been quoted out of context, (was he just angry when over heard, is this written down, or was he just having an off day, et al) Does BGW still carry the same cache where is can push the industry around like before. Can it really afford to make dogmatic and absolute statements about manufactures?
Why is everyone so confident that the park would go with B&M? What evidence is there to that end? They have not built a B&M in a very long time. IT seems to me that the park is actually trying to maintain a variety of builders, and frankly I like that. I prefer a variation.
RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?
Devils advocate here:
B&M doesn't have a multi launch (or droptrack) that Verbolten has. I'm not sure they would even want to try that. Heck have they even done a indoor coaster?
B&M doesn't have a shuttle like Tempesto as far as I'm aware. Again would be asking them to do something out of the norm.
Again....same things with Invadr.
So the last three things that got built are things that B&M hasn't historically done before.
More or less I do agree with you though and that they just want a good representation of various builders and ride sensations in the park and that's why they don't let one builder dominate. Could be like Hershypark and basically have it know that if they get a woodie it's a GCI and if it's a Steel it's Intamin.
I would love a B&M that works with the terrain, carries speed the entire course, and rounds out the whole thing.
Who knows....maybe this is a 325 foot polarcoaster.
Zimmy said:
Devils advocate here:
B&M doesn't have a multi launch (or droptrack) that Verbolten has. I'm not sure they would even want to try that. Heck have they even done a indoor coaster?
B&M doesn't have a shuttle like Tempesto as far as I'm aware. Again would be asking them to do something out of the norm.
Again....same things with Invadr.
So the last three things that got built are things that B&M hasn't historically done before.
More or less I do agree with you though and that they just want a good representation of various builders and ride sensations in the park and that's why they don't let one builder dominate. Could be like Hershypark and basically have it know that if they get a woodie it's a GCI and if it's a Steel it's Intamin.
I would love a B&M that works with the terrain, carries speed the entire course, and rounds out the whole thing.
Who knows....maybe this is a 325 foot polarcoaster.
RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?
Hopefully we will have the tallest drop on a roller coaster outside of KDK and TTD. This ride has the potential to put Busch back on the map. A tophat wouldn't be ideal IMO because that's exactly what the two taller coasters have. Even with the newer more reliable technology that isn't really something they could say to bring in the GP. "Highest reliable drop in North America".
Hopefully we will have the tallest drop on a roller coaster outside of KDK and TTD. This ride has the potential to put Busch back on the map. A tophat wouldn't be ideal IMO because that's exactly what the two taller coasters have. Even with the newer more reliable technology that isn't really something they could say to bring in the GP. "Highest reliable drop in North America".
RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?
Here are a handful of puctures that I took of the ultilie work going on by the train tracks. It seems to start by Invadr but there was also work near the cornered location and emquipment by the old Biten build which I find interesting given the rumor that was posted here. I could see this working being part of prep for Madrid if those rumors are right. I could also see it as unrelated work that might explain some of the surveyors stakes in the area.
Sorry about the quality of the pictures I wasn't really anticipating seeing anything intersting and had to quickly flip my phobe camera in and snapped them. I wad hoping to go back and get better ones but the storm shut down the train early before I could. There was more equipment parked by the building that use to house Biten but I couldn't get a picture in time.
Here are a handful of puctures that I took of the ultilie work going on by the train tracks. It seems to start by Invadr but there was also work near the cornered location and emquipment by the old Biten build which I find interesting given the rumor that was posted here. I could see this working being part of prep for Madrid if those rumors are right. I could also see it as unrelated work that might explain some of the surveyors stakes in the area.
Sorry about the quality of the pictures I wasn't really anticipating seeing anything intersting and had to quickly flip my phobe camera in and snapped them. I wad hoping to go back and get better ones but the storm shut down the train early before I could. There was more equipment parked by the building that use to house Biten but I couldn't get a picture in time.
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The pictures that horsesboy shared (the first and third pictures at least) look like they may be related to a conduit install that showed up on the VA 811 (Miss Utility, utility marking) ticket page. There were five different utility marking request tickets that showed up between 8/2 and 8/21 with descriptions shown below in the images. These seem to match the locations mentioned previously. Also two of the images horsesboy posted looked like they were of conduit and a directional drill (used to drill a path for the conduit).
The pictures that horsesboy shared (the first and third pictures at least) look like they may be related to a conduit install that showed up on the VA 811 (Miss Utility, utility marking) ticket page. There were five different utility marking request tickets that showed up between 8/2 and 8/21 with descriptions shown below in the images. These seem to match the locations mentioned previously. Also two of the images horsesboy posted looked like they were of conduit and a directional drill (used to drill a path for the conduit).
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I'm not sold on this being a B&M. My bet is Intamin but I'm still holding out for RMC. I just feel a giga version of Lightning Rod would be plain epic.
I'm not sold on this being a B&M. My bet is Intamin but I'm still holding out for RMC. I just feel a giga version of Lightning Rod would be plain epic.
RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?
I was thinking a launch up a hill was a possibility. Obviously it would be a steel coaster. Although BG might like slow lift hills tp give you views of the world's most beautiful theme park. I'm sure Apollo' s lift could have been upgraded but it still takes a full minute to reach the top.madmax said:
RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?
I still think we are all making a whole lot of conclusions based on little to no information. I still have not seen any data that indicates that there is going to be a roller-coaster. REALLY wanting it to be does not make it so.
I still think we are all making a whole lot of conclusions based on little to no information. I still have not seen any data that indicates that there is going to be a roller-coaster. REALLY wanting it to be does not make it so.
RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?
Lightning Rod spends so much time down that I'm not sure RMC will try that again for a while.
I think the idea of using a launch system to get the train to the top of the hill quickly is interesting and something that will get up there as commonplace sooner rather than later.
madmax said:
Lightning Rod spends so much time down that I'm not sure RMC will try that again for a while.
I think the idea of using a launch system to get the train to the top of the hill quickly is interesting and something that will get up there as commonplace sooner rather than later.
RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?
Everything points to a roller coaster. The markers, the soil tests, it's all being conducted in a wide range of places. Also the fact that it's on a terrain would make no sense if it were a tower ride.
Zimmy said:
Everything points to a roller coaster. The markers, the soil tests, it's all being conducted in a wide range of places. Also the fact that it's on a terrain would make no sense if it were a tower ride.
RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?
For the record. Any work at all being done at the park right now is unrelated to this. No building permits for this are out right now.
For the record. Any work at all being done at the park right now is unrelated to this. No building permits for this are out right now.
RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?
I'd like to point out (in my hopes that this attraction turns out to be a B&M ______________) that 2019 will be B&M's (theoretical) 30th year in operation. Founded 1988 and designed their first coaster, Iron Wolf, in 1989 with a 1990 delivery.
That would be a nice hallmark to have your anniversary coaster at BGW be something truly special. They've got a great relationship with Busch, so it would jive nicely between the park and the B&M team.
Closer and closer we get!
I'd like to point out (in my hopes that this attraction turns out to be a B&M ______________) that 2019 will be B&M's (theoretical) 30th year in operation. Founded 1988 and designed their first coaster, Iron Wolf, in 1989 with a 1990 delivery.
That would be a nice hallmark to have your anniversary coaster at BGW be something truly special. They've got a great relationship with Busch, so it would jive nicely between the park and the B&M team.
Closer and closer we get!
RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?
The main issue with Lightning Rod is that they went with an unproven company (Velocity Magnetics) to provide the launch system. Velocity Magnetics had been providing magnetic braking for RMC, so they trusted them to design and build a launch system for Lightning Rod. Unfortunately, it is a decision that I'm sure they regret. Had they gone with IntraSys, who has done LSMs for practically every other coaster with proven lift hill launches on rides like Maverick and California Screamin', it wouldn't be having the down time that it has.
The issue with this is that the LSMs use a lot more power than a traditional lift. It may not be feasible for many parks to start using this technology.
warfelg said:
The main issue with Lightning Rod is that they went with an unproven company (Velocity Magnetics) to provide the launch system. Velocity Magnetics had been providing magnetic braking for RMC, so they trusted them to design and build a launch system for Lightning Rod. Unfortunately, it is a decision that I'm sure they regret. Had they gone with IntraSys, who has done LSMs for practically every other coaster with proven lift hill launches on rides like Maverick and California Screamin', it wouldn't be having the down time that it has.
The issue with this is that the LSMs use a lot more power than a traditional lift. It may not be feasible for many parks to start using this technology.
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