Yeah I wasn't saying Finnegan's specifically, just in general that the ride concept is capable of that. That is accounting for a lot of additional stress.
Project 2019: Finnegan's Flyer (S&S Screamin' Swing)
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They are ridiculously over engineered. Also what’s more important (and where I do foresee issues) is seating needs to be balanced.
Meaning you cant have 5 face 1 way and 3 the other way. It’s going to have to be 4 and 4 with everyone balanced at the edges or pinched into the middle. Won’t be an issue with full loads, but when there isn’t a full load it can cause problems.
Think of the undercapacity BfE runs, and everyone is moved more towards the middle for platform stability.
Going back to this statement.
If it can handle one arm swinging independently of the other, then it can handle a slightly different center of mass on the tip of the arm. I think the effect the additional mass of a person has on these arms is so minuscule, that it doesn't change the overall center of mass of the arm enough. Of course the load of a person affects things, but the positioning difference between one chair and another (what, less than a meter?) with an already small mass effect (andromeda
) I don't see being an issue.Going back to this statement.
If it can handle one arm swinging independently of the other, then it can handle a slightly different center of mass on the tip of the arm. I think the effect the additional mass of a person has on these arms is so minuscule, that it doesn't change the overall center of mass of the arm enough. Of course the load of a person affects things, but the positioning difference between one chair and another (what, less than a meter?) with an already small mass effect (andromeda
There’s a difference in the over engineering of the arch to handle 1 arm operations, and the arm itself. The arms aren’t as over engineered to take having really off balanced seating.
I hate to do this, but, source?
I find your comment highly suspicious. The arm and seat structure probably easily weigh 3-4 tons. A 5 rider to 1 rider side difference (~10% weight assuming 200 lb average) separated by not much distance at the end of a pendulum is not going to have much impact to the operation of this ride.
Unless you can prove otherwise, I'm calling BS.
The other 3 I’ve been on have been very careful about non-capacity rides to make sure things are laid out in a way that you have a balance on the other side of the same arm. The ride op at Dollywood explained that it’s an S&S operations thing to make sure you balance the ride.
Also it has a little to do with the weight of the arm but more the support system.
It's also why the swing arms have the steel cables attached on both sides of the arm.
For the 8 Seater Screamin' Swings they weren't too big on balance but I've seen the specific balancing methods that @warfelg is talking about on multiple of the larger ones.
For the 8 Seater Screamin' Swings they weren't too big on balance but I've seen the specific balancing methods that @warfelg is talking about on multiple of the larger ones.
I find that interesting because mathematically it doesn't change very much at all. I am not doubting the truth behind it, I just find that very interesting that they would go through the effort to make it so one arm can operate independently but not have 5-3 seating.
But hey S&S has always been kinda strange in their methods. I'm curious now to learn more about it.
But hey S&S has always been kinda strange in their methods. I'm curious now to learn more about it.
I’m not sure if you can see it in the video, but when the arms are parking there is a noticeable sway in them. Being off balance would increase this sway and could cause issues when returning to the home position.
Kevin/BGW Marketing deleted this tweet right after it was posted but...
Edit: And it's up again.
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Edit: And it's up again.
View: https://twitter.com/Kevin_BGW/status/1120402778843750401
How much you wanna bet in about 5 years the ops will be lazy and only run one side?
Depends how far its ridership falls.Since BGW bought a 32 seat model they likely expect it to carry its own weight for a while.
It's a single person, it's not that big of a deal.
Unless they purchased the 32 seat model so that on slower days they could run only one arm and still seat a fair number of people.
Yes but one person riding will not have the effect that say 3-4 more people on one side compared to the other will have. At that point you are talking about an approximate weight difference of 1000 lbs
I said approximately. It is really around 200 lbs. So really about 800lbs difference
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