Project 2017: InvadR
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Just saw this on twitter and it surprised me. Sure by definition it may be a "wooden coaster" but the steel elements certainly make it very different from the classic, shake you so hard your bones hurt, wooden coasters most people think of. I don't think it's fair to scorn people for saying it's not a "true" wooden coaster, sure technicaly it might fall under the same category but there are clearly differences between Invadr and a classic woodie, and insisting on calling it "a true wooden coaster" seems kind of silly when you could just point out the innovations that make it an improvement over all-wood woodies. Does the title really matter that much?
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I mean by RCDB standards Invadr is a Hybrid, but since it has a wood track, it's a wood coaster in my book. The Iron Horse RMC creations, and Gemini are what I truly consider Hybrids and are basically steel coasters.
So in a nutshell I completely agree with that post by BGWFans.
And if it bothers that guy so much that it has a steel superstructure, ask him again in 20 years how he feels about it. I've got ZERO problem with Invadr or any other wood coaster having a steel superstructure.
So in a nutshell I completely agree with that post by BGWFans.
And if it bothers that guy so much that it has a steel superstructure, ask him again in 20 years how he feels about it. I've got ZERO problem with Invadr or any other wood coaster having a steel superstructure.
I agree with BGWs classification too, I just don't think the label is important. The labels purpose (for most people) is to indicate what the ride will be so I'd just let people call it what makes sense to them. Its technicaly classified as a wooden coaster, so that name makes sense, but it is also different from your typical woodie so pointing that out makes sense too. Calling the idea that the ride is different from a true woodie an "alternative fact" is pretty overboard imo.
No, I think people dissing the ride because its not a "true wood coaster" is overboard.
Like Shane said, there have been a lot of people dismissing InvadR as being some lesser creation just because it uses a support material they're less familiar with. My point with that post was that some of the woodies we hold in the highest esteem (Coney Island Cyclone) feature steel support structures and no one has ever had a problem with them or their legitimacy as a true, classic wooden coasters.
I expressed my frustration on Twitter because after I provided historical information and industry-accepted definitions, the response was to totally disregard the existence of any of that data and instead continue with the same baseless claims. (Hence, #AlternativeFacts)
I expressed my frustration on Twitter because after I provided historical information and industry-accepted definitions, the response was to totally disregard the existence of any of that data and instead continue with the same baseless claims. (Hence, #AlternativeFacts)
Personally I don't expect the steel supports to affect the ride experience in any way, except that they might keep the coaster smooth and in better condition for a longer time.
However, I'm not a tremendous fan of the appearance given by the steel structure. The shiny, unpainted metal gives off an unfinished look and seems out-of-place in the heavily wooded New France village. I think a full wooden structure would look much more at home in contrast to its forested and rustic surroundings, especially near the first turn immediately after the station and along the Le Scoot ravine.
That said, I'll take a ride that runs smoothly and stays in good shape over a ride that looks a tiny bit better any day.
However, I'm not a tremendous fan of the appearance given by the steel structure. The shiny, unpainted metal gives off an unfinished look and seems out-of-place in the heavily wooded New France village. I think a full wooden structure would look much more at home in contrast to its forested and rustic surroundings, especially near the first turn immediately after the station and along the Le Scoot ravine.
That said, I'll take a ride that runs smoothly and stays in good shape over a ride that looks a tiny bit better any day.
IAAPA says Invadr is a wooden coaster.
http://www.iaapa.org/DigitalShowDaily/2016/wed/seaworld.asp
http://www.iaapa.org/DigitalShowDaily/2016/wed/seaworld.asp
Hm. I also never received any sort of notification about the first ride thing. But as it were I wouldn't have been able to go. That said, my sincerest intention would have been to offer it to someone here who could and wanted to go.
... You know, if I'd even gotten the offer. -_-
... You know, if I'd even gotten the offer. -_-
Joe said:
I also agree that it looks a bit goofy. But in the park's defense, they payed a premium price for quality galvanized steel, which will last in the weather for decades. Once it is painted, you have to keep painting it, and keep painting it, and keep painting it, every seven to ten years. Galvanizing is a gajillion times more durable than any sort of exterior paint/powder coat.
I never got any email inviting me to 'be the first' on this ride. They must not like me or my reality mentality.
MAZ said:
The use of steel supports most likely came more out of necessity as Invadr's lift hill has to crossover both Le Scoot and the train track. Using steel allows them to have larger spans than an all wood support structure.
The track also bridges over a maintenance road where, again, a large span is needed.
Here's an example where Zeus at Mt. Olympus uses a steel support structure for its lift as it crosses over Cyclop's first drop. The rest of the ride is an all wood structure.
And another Mt. Olympus example where Zeus crosses under Hades.
I, personally, wish they had covered the steel supports with "logs." I think it would blend better with the rest of the area.
I don't think it will detract from the look of the area at all. The Voyage is one of the greatest wooden roller coasters on Earth and it is quite beautiful with its galvanized steel superstructure.
If anything makes the area look, odd its the loss of so many trees. I'm looking forward to many new saplings being planted around the ride that will age as gracefully as Invadr's steel structure.
If anything makes the area look, odd its the loss of so many trees. I'm looking forward to many new saplings being planted around the ride that will age as gracefully as Invadr's steel structure.
Yeah I never got a notification about that email they sent out. Come to find out it was in my spam folder at 10:50am. I will still be there though!
RollyCoaster said:
It made you check out through the system but it was at $0.00 cost.
Also the ACE media event is taking place the morning of the 7th, so the "first riders" will not be the people with the email anyway.
RollyCoaster said:
I don't think there was any cost. You just had to make a reservation for you and you could bring 1 guest. Kinda bummed I did not get an invite via email, even though I participated quite heavily in the, "Name the Ride," social media campaign BGW ran last year! So my question is, how many first rides were offered, just the first two trains?
As someone else said, I also wish BGW would have set up a first ride auction with the proceeds going to charity. I would have bid a Benjamin or two.
Does anyone think BGW will have a soft opening for the ride for a few hours during the next two weekends before opening day? I am planning to head down on Sunday, weather permitting and it would be awesome to walk by and find the ride is open unexpectedly!
VACoasterdude said:
It said in the small print of the email that the invite was only "available only to Decide the Ride voters who opted-in at the time of the vote" so it makes sense that not everyone on their email list got an invite
Just heard from someone in the know @ BGW that there might be soft openings of InvadR over the next two weekends. Person in the know did not know all the details yet.
I imagine there will be some soft openings the week of April 3rd. That week all the kids on the Peninsula and Williamsburg are on Spring Break. Spring Break for Richmond area schools and Southside area schools (Norfolk, VA Beach, Chesapeake, Suffolk, Ptown, etc.) is not until the week of April 10th.
