RE: Project 2017
Could the second building be an elevator lift?
Could the second building be an elevator lift?
Project 2017: InvadR
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RE: Project 2017
Good observation. Some things to think about...
-What other types of rides usually have that setup (where you ride through the transfer/storage building)?
-What kind of coaster does the basic footprint of the ride look like?
-With the footprint of the ride in mind, how wide of an area are they clearing?
Good observation. Some things to think about...
-What other types of rides usually have that setup (where you ride through the transfer/storage building)?
-What kind of coaster does the basic footprint of the ride look like?
-With the footprint of the ride in mind, how wide of an area are they clearing?
RE: Project 2017
Looking at what I can find of a CC layout, the elements look very similar. I believe that this would be the correct guess.
Thomas said:
Looking at what I can find of a CC layout, the elements look very similar. I believe that this would be the correct guess.
RE: Project 2017
Meh. If this is indeed the sister of CC, I'm not as excited. I was hoping for something more along the lines of Alpengeist or Apollos Chariot. Maybe.. it will be the first flying/spinning coaster
Meh. If this is indeed the sister of CC, I'm not as excited. I was hoping for something more along the lines of Alpengeist or Apollos Chariot. Maybe.. it will be the first flying/spinning coaster
RE: Project 2017
Anyone else concerned about how this new ride may effect the ride experience of Le Scoot?
Anyone else concerned about how this new ride may effect the ride experience of Le Scoot?
RE: Project 2017
Just putting this out there too, but if that 60ft height restriction on the plans is accurate, this would align with the CC sister coaster theory since CC is 70ft tall. Given the 60 ft height restriction and the ~20' elevation difference between the ground before the suspected drop area and the ground under the service road, the total drop height would be around like 70-80ft.
Just putting this out there too, but if that 60ft height restriction on the plans is accurate, this would align with the CC sister coaster theory since CC is 70ft tall. Given the 60 ft height restriction and the ~20' elevation difference between the ground before the suspected drop area and the ground under the service road, the total drop height would be around like 70-80ft.
RE: Project 2017
I just don't understand the rationale behind doing a big marketing push more than a year in advance for a small spinning coaster.
At some point you have to wonder when "filling in the gap between X coaster and Y coaster" is just ridiculous. I mean if this is just a CC sister coaster, then in 5 years will people need something to fill the gap between it and Verbolten, or between Grover and it? The gap between Grover and LNM was a pretty wide one when Verbolten was built, but in my opinion, Verbolten did that perfectly; it filled the gap between the two. Personally, I'm hoping for a larger coaster than this, and if all the anticipation of this teaser campaign builds up to something of Cobra's scale, I believe I'll be at least a little disappointed.
I just don't understand the rationale behind doing a big marketing push more than a year in advance for a small spinning coaster.
At some point you have to wonder when "filling in the gap between X coaster and Y coaster" is just ridiculous. I mean if this is just a CC sister coaster, then in 5 years will people need something to fill the gap between it and Verbolten, or between Grover and it? The gap between Grover and LNM was a pretty wide one when Verbolten was built, but in my opinion, Verbolten did that perfectly; it filled the gap between the two. Personally, I'm hoping for a larger coaster than this, and if all the anticipation of this teaser campaign builds up to something of Cobra's scale, I believe I'll be at least a little disappointed.
RE: Project 2017
The main reason they're doing this is to spite Zach, who managed to announce the last two coasters (that's if you consider Tempesto a coaster) before the park did. They're trying to beat Zach at his own game. This way they're able to build up hype for 2017 while possibly raising interest in the park for 2016. It's quite brilliant, really.
The main reason they're doing this is to spite Zach, who managed to announce the last two coasters (that's if you consider Tempesto a coaster) before the park did. They're trying to beat Zach at his own game. This way they're able to build up hype for 2017 while possibly raising interest in the park for 2016. It's quite brilliant, really.
RE: Project 2017
To be completely honest, I'm not completely sold on this ride being a spinner. Sure, it's a possibility, but there are definitely others. In fact, after studying the possible layout(s) from what the park showed in their clearing plans, it almost seems somewhat doubtful. I don't see much room for helices, nor does it look extremely curvy.
It's not illogical to market this attraction the way they are doing either. Strategic Marketing can make a less major coaster a huge success. Nor does height determine thrill level.
Also for what it's worth, I think a 42" height requirement coaster will fill an obvious gap in the park's line up. Verbolten was a "family" thrill coaster, but it can still be extremely intimidating to younger kids.
To be completely honest, I'm not completely sold on this ride being a spinner. Sure, it's a possibility, but there are definitely others. In fact, after studying the possible layout(s) from what the park showed in their clearing plans, it almost seems somewhat doubtful. I don't see much room for helices, nor does it look extremely curvy.
It's not illogical to market this attraction the way they are doing either. Strategic Marketing can make a less major coaster a huge success. Nor does height determine thrill level.
Also for what it's worth, I think a 42" height requirement coaster will fill an obvious gap in the park's line up. Verbolten was a "family" thrill coaster, but it can still be extremely intimidating to younger kids.
RE: Project 2017
I'm not sure V-bolt filled in the gap between Grover and LNM that well. Grover has a height requirement of 38 inches, and both LNM and V-bolt are 48". Not only is that a big gap, but Grover isn't really for adults to enjoy. CC minimum height is 42" and is for adults and children.
I think both LNM and v-bolt are a little intense for a first "big kids" coaster, and a 42" family coaster would be a VERY nice addition.
Bottom line, this could finally be the ride that fills the void left by Big Bad Wolf, which also had a min height of 42."
TrevorBondi said:
I'm not sure V-bolt filled in the gap between Grover and LNM that well. Grover has a height requirement of 38 inches, and both LNM and V-bolt are 48". Not only is that a big gap, but Grover isn't really for adults to enjoy. CC minimum height is 42" and is for adults and children.
I think both LNM and v-bolt are a little intense for a first "big kids" coaster, and a 42" family coaster would be a VERY nice addition.
Bottom line, this could finally be the ride that fills the void left by Big Bad Wolf, which also had a min height of 42."
RE: Project 2017
I really don't think it would be a sister coaster to CC.
Reason 1- Why would the park advertise over a year early for a smaller attraction.
Reason 2- Busch gardens just got a replica coaster Tempesta.
Reason 3- The last "big" coaster is going to have been put in 10 years ago.
Also this ride looks like it will be very interactive with the railroad, coming out of the underpass it is literally right beside it. The ride also goes back and forth over the railroad tracks the whole time.
I really don't think it would be a sister coaster to CC.
Reason 1- Why would the park advertise over a year early for a smaller attraction.
Reason 2- Busch gardens just got a replica coaster Tempesta.
Reason 3- The last "big" coaster is going to have been put in 10 years ago.
Also this ride looks like it will be very interactive with the railroad, coming out of the underpass it is literally right beside it. The ride also goes back and forth over the railroad tracks the whole time.
RE: Project 2017
I agree completely with the above posts. For a family with a kid between 5-7 years old -- or, more likely, a kid in that range now and another who soon will be, and maybe another who will be after that -- there is surprisingly little at BGW in the family-coaster department. It sounds like a narrow age range, but it is actually a very critical one for attracting and keeping entire families. I have seen two of my own kids go through that exact experience at BGW, and we very often commented that the park needed exactly one more coaster to flesh out the little ones' day a bit in the thrills department.
However.
Judging by the plans, the new attraction is clearly a meditation labyrinth with a gift shop and a stand to sell you your in-maze photo. The need to look both ways before repeatedly walking across the train track boosts your mindfulness.
I agree completely with the above posts. For a family with a kid between 5-7 years old -- or, more likely, a kid in that range now and another who soon will be, and maybe another who will be after that -- there is surprisingly little at BGW in the family-coaster department. It sounds like a narrow age range, but it is actually a very critical one for attracting and keeping entire families. I have seen two of my own kids go through that exact experience at BGW, and we very often commented that the park needed exactly one more coaster to flesh out the little ones' day a bit in the thrills department.
However.
Judging by the plans, the new attraction is clearly a meditation labyrinth with a gift shop and a stand to sell you your in-maze photo. The need to look both ways before repeatedly walking across the train track boosts your mindfulness.
RE: Project 2017
At first, I didn't think it was a sister to CC either. But, the small footprint plus the two structures, which seem to fit the station and elevator of CC perfect, changed my mind.
As to your reasons:
1. It is very likely they will have to close the RR for at least a portion of the construction, including maybe during Christmastown. They may also have to close Le Scoot (though it is possible they can complete that portion while Le Scoot is closed for the winter). Explaining why they are closing attractions for a significant length of time is a must.
2. While Tempesto is a clone of rides that are elsewhere, CC is a custom coaster for Busch Gardens. They do have a history of creating custom unique sister rides for the two parks. Making two copies of a custom ride saves $$$$, when compared with two completely different custom rides for the two parks.
3. I would consider v-bolt a "big" coaster. Regardless, though, BGW does have a relatively large number of big coasters given the overall number of rides. Also, BGW wants to market itself to families with young children. When was the last time they build a family ride? 42" (which is what the ride height for CC is) is short enough for 4 year olds to ride. When was the last family ride they built? I would say they are due for a family ride more than a big coaster.
coasterdude205 said:
At first, I didn't think it was a sister to CC either. But, the small footprint plus the two structures, which seem to fit the station and elevator of CC perfect, changed my mind.
As to your reasons:
1. It is very likely they will have to close the RR for at least a portion of the construction, including maybe during Christmastown. They may also have to close Le Scoot (though it is possible they can complete that portion while Le Scoot is closed for the winter). Explaining why they are closing attractions for a significant length of time is a must.
2. While Tempesto is a clone of rides that are elsewhere, CC is a custom coaster for Busch Gardens. They do have a history of creating custom unique sister rides for the two parks. Making two copies of a custom ride saves $$$$, when compared with two completely different custom rides for the two parks.
3. I would consider v-bolt a "big" coaster. Regardless, though, BGW does have a relatively large number of big coasters given the overall number of rides. Also, BGW wants to market itself to families with young children. When was the last time they build a family ride? 42" (which is what the ride height for CC is) is short enough for 4 year olds to ride. When was the last family ride they built? I would say they are due for a family ride more than a big coaster.
RE: Project 2017
After reading the above posts: fair enough; Verbolten didn't fill the gap left by BBW completely, but I, personally, am not amped up for a spinner. I'd much rather have even a small Mack coaster that doesn't spin similar to Manta SWSD. I don't know why, but for whatever reason, I view spinning as gimmicky. I'd rather just ride a coaster facing forwards.
After reading the above posts: fair enough; Verbolten didn't fill the gap left by BBW completely, but I, personally, am not amped up for a spinner. I'd much rather have even a small Mack coaster that doesn't spin similar to Manta SWSD. I don't know why, but for whatever reason, I view spinning as gimmicky. I'd rather just ride a coaster facing forwards.
RE: Project 2017
I agree completely, but I think the age range is more like 4-8. Most 4 yr olds hit 42", and many 8 yr olds do not reach 48." So, this really isn't even a small age range.
halfabee said:
I agree completely, but I think the age range is more like 4-8. Most 4 yr olds hit 42", and many 8 yr olds do not reach 48." So, this really isn't even a small age range.
RE: Project 2017
Well, if we are right that this is a CC clone, we'll get reports of the quality of the ride quite soon.
The only two spinning coasters I've been on are Disney's Primeval Whirl and Six Flags' Ragin' Cajun (which is a clone of Primeval Whirl). And, I am less than impressed with them. Hopefully, this ride is a LOT better.
TrevorBondi said:
Well, if we are right that this is a CC clone, we'll get reports of the quality of the ride quite soon.
The only two spinning coasters I've been on are Disney's Primeval Whirl and Six Flags' Ragin' Cajun (which is a clone of Primeval Whirl). And, I am less than impressed with them. Hopefully, this ride is a LOT better.
RE: Project 2017
This is not a spinning coaster.
This is not a family coaster.
Verbolten is a "fringe" family coaster, thrilling enough but not overly intense for a wide age group.
We also have Grover's Alpine Adventure, which still counts believe it or not as much as we forget about it.
This appears to be a full-course thrill with children likely not in mind. Cobra's Curse will remain the only spinning coaster for Busch parks for quite some time.
If I am wrong, I shall change my avatar to "EiTA Is the Best Ever"
This is not a spinning coaster.
This is not a family coaster.
Verbolten is a "fringe" family coaster, thrilling enough but not overly intense for a wide age group.
We also have Grover's Alpine Adventure, which still counts believe it or not as much as we forget about it.
This appears to be a full-course thrill with children likely not in mind. Cobra's Curse will remain the only spinning coaster for Busch parks for quite some time.
If I am wrong, I shall change my avatar to "EiTA Is the Best Ever"
RE: Project 2017
Now looking at models of CC I noticed how much it interacts with BGT railroad. This could be very similar.
Does anyone know ride capacity of CC? This also worries me with small trains like tempesta.
Besides what would the theme be? Moose curse.
Now looking at models of CC I noticed how much it interacts with BGT railroad. This could be very similar.
Does anyone know ride capacity of CC? This also worries me with small trains like tempesta.
Besides what would the theme be? Moose curse.
RE: Project 2017
For comparison, (if I remember correctly) Griffon is 1500 riders/hour, and Tempesto is 600-700
From: http://www.tampabay.com/features/travel/attractions/forward-backward-and-spinning-busch-gardens-new-cobras-curse-ride-coming/2231329
by the numbers
70 Height, measured in feet, of Cobra's Curse
2,100 Length, measured in feet, of the track
40 mph+ Maximum speed of the ride
210 Duration, measured in seconds (or 31/2 minutes), of the ride
1,000 Capacity, or the number of people who can ride in an hour
42 Height requirement, measured in inches, to get on the ride
coasterdude205 said:
For comparison, (if I remember correctly) Griffon is 1500 riders/hour, and Tempesto is 600-700
From: http://www.tampabay.com/features/travel/attractions/forward-backward-and-spinning-busch-gardens-new-cobras-curse-ride-coming/2231329
by the numbers
70 Height, measured in feet, of Cobra's Curse
2,100 Length, measured in feet, of the track
40 mph+ Maximum speed of the ride
210 Duration, measured in seconds (or 31/2 minutes), of the ride
1,000 Capacity, or the number of people who can ride in an hour
42 Height requirement, measured in inches, to get on the ride
RE: Project 2017
My guess would be Big Foot. Granted, New France was Eastern Canada, and Big Foot is from the Pacific Northwest, I think this is close enough. After all, Canada is Canada.
coasterdude205 said:
My guess would be Big Foot. Granted, New France was Eastern Canada, and Big Foot is from the Pacific Northwest, I think this is close enough. After all, Canada is Canada.