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Attraction Phoenix Rising
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Hmmm. Hard to know whether to trust that or not. I wish someone could get BGT PR on record. 
To me it seems dubious unless the swivel is severely limited. You let the seats turn too far and you end up with people hitting other seats, legs getting tangled, and clearance testing being an absolute nightmare to figure out.Hmmm. Hard to know whether to trust that or not. I wish someone could get BGT PR on record.
If they mean it as something other than a spin, I rescind my statement. Forward/backward motion would make for a far more interesting and seemingly less problematic arrangement, but that doesn’t seem to be what they’re talking about
Maybe it’s a pretty limited side-to-side swivel for each row? Basically some springs that give the rows a few inches of lateral wiggle room?
Not necessarily the same mechanism, but I’m thinking of a limited swinging movement that’s more akin to Seven Dwarfs Mine Train than BBW.
Not necessarily the same mechanism, but I’m thinking of a limited swinging movement that’s more akin to Seven Dwarfs Mine Train than BBW.
Seven dwarves has more of a “rocking” motion than a “swinging” motion, which could be what BGT is aiming for.
First and foremost, cut me some slack and I apologize if this makes ZERO sense.
This image is as if you’re sitting behind the car in front of you. The train connects to the track like an Invert normally would. Below, you have these two joints which can swivel left and right. The arms below them flex (can lengthen and shorten; needed a short word) to allow for this motion. At the seat itself, there’s another joint perhaps (maybe unneeded). Between the two seats is a solid steel separator that helps you avoid kicking your neighbor and ensures the car “swings” uniformly.
With the right angle of track around corners, these should allow some swinging. I am not an engineer, but working with inertia and centrifugal forces, you could make something quite fun.
This image is as if you’re sitting behind the car in front of you. The train connects to the track like an Invert normally would. Below, you have these two joints which can swivel left and right. The arms below them flex (can lengthen and shorten; needed a short word) to allow for this motion. At the seat itself, there’s another joint perhaps (maybe unneeded). Between the two seats is a solid steel separator that helps you avoid kicking your neighbor and ensures the car “swings” uniformly.
With the right angle of track around corners, these should allow some swinging. I am not an engineer, but working with inertia and centrifugal forces, you could make something quite fun.
Isn't that how the current generation Vekoma family suspended coasters (e.g. Dollywood's Dragon Flier) work?
Meanwhile, I looked up the B&M Family Inverted Coasters at the Chinese Happy Valley parks and they seem to have one support column.
Yeah, that is how the recent Vekomas work.
Good chance that specific mechanism is patented too, but I haven't looked into it.
Good chance that specific mechanism is patented too, but I haven't looked into it.
To be fair we do have that. When the coaster was announced it was said to be a suspended coaster, not an invert creating another prototype coaster for the manufacturer. While I would love for it to feature some great swings, I just don’t think it will and will be on the tamer side.Hmmm. Hard to know whether to trust that or not. I wish someone could get BGT PR on record.
Don't forget that a Vekoma SLC is a "suspended" coaster as well.
The original SLC trains were basically suspended cars with really large unyielding shock absorbers. Never could tell if the shocks actually did anything, maybe some stress reduction.
I rambled on suspended coaster physics before... if B&M made one it would have very little uncontrolled swinging, maybe none at all on center rows, unless they deliberately added jank to make it swing. Otherwise, if there was much difference at all from an invert, they're off their game.
I rambled on suspended coaster physics before... if B&M made one it would have very little uncontrolled swinging, maybe none at all on center rows, unless they deliberately added jank to make it swing. Otherwise, if there was much difference at all from an invert, they're off their game.
The fact that we're in the middle of the February of the opening year for this coaster and it's still not vertical is wild to me. I'm sure it will go up fairly quickly, but they're really getting down to the wire, aren't they?
I mean **technically** footer installation has begun, and the park president mentioned at the opening of Skyride it would be "very soon". I wouldn't be shocked if it was the same construction crew as Penguin Trek...
I dint expect this to take long to go vertical, BGT is now themed to one-train ops.
Sorta weird post by BGT, no? It's written like they haven't announced the coaster. Fine for us enthusiasts of course, but for a post that's likely to perform as well as first video of coaster track should, not identifying it as Phoenix Rising which is (hopefully) opening in just a couple months seems like a missed opportunity?
To me sounds like there may be something unique about the coaster that they are about to announce. That or maybe we are seeing another Tigris/ Gwazi situation where this coaster is just filler for another major coaster they are about to announce.