Next Coaster Location

[Party Rocker]

- If the park isn't gonna heavily advertise their brand new anchor attraction and stick giant red arrows to it, then there's absolutely no point in having an anchor attraction to begin with. Hell even a marketing team would be completely unnecessary at that point.

Sure the first few years it is advertised, but then after that they won't advertise it hardly. Look at all the LNM, AC, and ALPEN commercials they still have on tv.

- It's not that hard to open up the area. Just expand the pathway and stick a giant sign leading up to it.

- Wasn't there supposed to be a full-fledged resort back here complete with a new area (shops, rides, second entrance)? What better to bring people back here with a brand new coaster?

Yes, if they open the pathway and make it more visible from in front of the Festhaus and add a new country, with other major attractions, guests will find everything. Also, I am pretty sure just the new area itself would bring people there with or without a coaster. Proof = Ireland grand opening.

No the park's primary focus is to deliver a good time to guests, not piss them off, which is exactly what a coaster would do. If a resort gets built back there, chances are there will be an exit point there too.

The park's primary focus is to please the GP, sorry if you misunderstood my post. Having a coaster in a secluded bottlenecked are of the park will piss them off if they can't find it or get lost in the process. Having a resort and wider more visually open pathway would help by like a lot.

Call me crazy but this looks beautiful.

Take another look at Griffon. That is what the park will probably end up doing if they build another parking lot coaster. Sure Drachen Fire looked great, but those times are gone and the park has shown no indication that they would really mkae a parking lot coaster look that good.

As much as I like Zach's idea of sticking a coaster in Ireland (especially using EITA's building as a queue line). I'm still not too keen on getting rid of the forest surrounding the area. If things don't turn out right, that area will become flat and barren like what Griffon looked like opening year.

Look at Griffon now. Its still just some grass and shrubs, not much of anything but open land. And like previously pointed out, they wouldn't have to clear the whole forest area, just a pathway at most for construction and then the surrounding grown in. Look at how BBW opened up with bare land, sorta and then all those trees that grew around it.

 

[redsoxfan787]

I don't even consider griffon a parking lot coaster, it's not completely flat, Dominator and I305 are parking lot coasters, but I could care less because both are great rides, as long as Busch makes the area look nice, which they always do. I don't care if the land is flat. But I do see what you're saying

 

[netdvn]

Sure the first few years it is advertised, but then after that they won't advertise it hardly. Look at all the LNM, AC, and ALPEN commercials they still have on tv.

Once the coaster breaks in, there's no need for it to be heavily advertised. Still Alpengeist and Loch Ness are still used in commercials anyway.

Having a coaster in a secluded bottlenecked are of the park will piss them off if they can't find it or get lost in the process. Having a resort and wider more visually open pathway would help by like a lot.

It doesn't seem very secluded or bottlenecked when Bitten or Ramp Jam is back there. If a hotel would bring people back there, chances are a coaster will too. Wider pathways and new area of the park or not.

Take another look at Griffon. That is what the park will probably end up doing if they build another parking lot coaster. Sure Drachen Fire looked great, but those times are gone and the park has shown no indication that they would really mkae a parking lot coaster look that good.

Both Griffon and DF were built under Anheuser Busch.

 

[Party Rocker]

Once the coaster breaks in, there's no need for it to be heavily advertised. Still Alpengeist and Loch Ness are still used in commercials anyway.

Once advertising slows down ride attendance will slow down too for the fact, like I said the path itself is too obscure from the main path. If advertised with location, which would have to happen, guests would be able to find the obscure path, but without that guests will be lost. For example: Verbolten. MANY MANY guests ran into Festa Italia under the impression Verbolten was there. If Verbolten is right out in the open like it is, and people are running to a dead end away from it, imagine if the coaster was located along a path that was obscure. As for Alpen and LNM, they don't have their own exclusive ads, they are just seen in a collaboration of a bunch of attractions in the park.

It doesn't seem very secluded or bottlenecked when Bitten or Ramp Jam is back there. If a hotel would bring people back there, chances are a coaster will too. Wider pathways and new area of the park or not.

Actually, during HOS they have a line planned out so it doesn't bottleneck, people go in and come out because of their amazing crowd control with that. As for Ramp Jam, you never see a constant rush of people going in and out at the same time, so there is no traffic issue. I am not saying that a coaster wouldn't bring people back there, I'm saying people won't find the path to get there so there wouldn't be people back there unless the path was opened up more and wider visually. After all, it looks like the path just dies right next to the Festhaus.

Both Griffon and DF were built under Anheuser Busch.

I never said anything about AB or Blackstone or InBev. I said the park in general.

Can we just agree that you think it is a perfect spot and I think it is a bad spot?

But one last question, why didn't the park not build a coaster to replace DF in that area if the space was open, instead of having Griffon in France why not in Oktoberfest with a different name and such? Could it be that the area is not ideal for a coaster or it's own separate attraction?

 

[redsoxfan787]

Maybe they didn't want to give up that location for HOS. And I agree with most of what you're saying, but I'm pretty sure the GP could find a new roller coaster, I don't believe they would get lost. It's a pathway, not the forbidden Forrest

 

[destroyer421]

Maybe they didn't want to give up that location for HOS. And I agree with most of what you're saying, but I'm pretty sure the GP could find a new roller coaster, I don't believe they would get lost. It's a pathway, not the forbidden Forrest

Well, for them to find it they would have to be intelligent you see. And, the GP is about as smart as Carl Lum....sooooo I don't think the GP will find a coaster in that area unless it's tall enough to draw their attention from a distance.

 

[James]

It's either around Ireland or it will be where something else was removed. Otherwise we won't see a coaster anywhere else unless there is some type of real expansion. Personally I wouldn't be surprised to see Escape from Pompeii bite the dust for something in that area that could go a little into the preferred area. A little parking rearranging could solve the issue putting part of a coaster in that section would do. Plus the parking situation needs addressing.

 

[netdvn]

But one last question, why didn't the park not build a coaster to replace DF in that area if the space was open, instead of having Griffon in France why not in Oktoberfest with a different name and such? Could it be that the area is not ideal for a coaster or it's own separate attraction?

From what I've heard, Le Mans isn't the most environmentally friendly ride in the park and it was getting old (more and more parks are getting rid of their antique cars). Plus France didn't really have a major anchor attraction to keep people in the area so they would bypass it. I believe Kinetix debuted that year so new ride + show meant more people would stay in the area.

Once advertising slows down ride attendance will slow down too for the fact, like I said the path itself is too obscure from the main path.

Once advertising slows down, chances are ride attendance has already slowed down in the first place. As for the pathways, the park will make an effort to bring people back there for their major coaster/attraction/resort.

Actually, during HOS they have a line planned out so it doesn't bottleneck, people go in and come out because of their amazing crowd control with that.

When the ride first opens, this will happen. It happened with Verbolten, DarKastle, Griffon, and I'm sure every other major ride to open at any theme park around the country. When traffic dies down, the park should have signs put up to draw people to the back. Along with that, a good-sized coasters should be visible from the main path (like DF was).

Can we just agree that you think it is a perfect spot and I think it is a bad spot?

We already do. I'm just making a statement.

 

[chickenking]

^^
A new coaster might be nice, but I for one would be sad to see it go. I love escaping from Pompeii at least once a week.

 

[James]

I'd be sad to see it go too but the ride has been a mechanical nightmare since it opened. Somedays I wonder if the ride is repaired by Macgyver. It's service life just running out of time. I give it 5 more years max.

 

[Shane]

Look at Griffon now. Its still just some grass and shrubs, not much of anything but open land. And like previously pointed out, they wouldn't have to clear the whole forest area, just a pathway at most for construction and then the surrounding grown in. Look at how BBW opened up with bare land, sorta and then all those trees that grew around it.

I think you are looking at the wrong Roller Coaster PR. Look at Verbolten, the park will never build another Griffon. That was AB, this is SEA we are talking about. SEA wants to make Disney level theme attractions. Look at Manta, CA.

There will never be another Griffon at BGW.

But one last question, why didn't the park not build a coaster to replace DF in that area if the space was open, instead of having Griffon in France why not in Oktoberfest with a different name and such? Could it be that the area is not ideal for a coaster or it's own separate attraction?

How about that park has had other plans for that area before Griffon was built.

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I've always had my money on the removal of Pompeii, Roman Rapids, or both at some point.

 

[pandorazboxx]

I think you are looking at the wrong Roller Coaster PR. Look at Verbolten, the park will never build another Griffon. That was AB, this is SEA we are talking about. SEA wants to make Disney level theme attractions. Look at Manta, CA.

There will never be another Griffon at BGW.

This is a good point let's look at the attractions that were added to the parks since they were bought out:

BGT: Sesame Street Safari of Fun
BGT: Cheetah Hunt
BGW: Europe in the Air
SWSA: Sesame Street Bay of Play (I know, they're just catching up)
BGW: Mach Tower
SWO: TurtleTrek
BGW: Verbolten
SWSD: Manta
SWO: Antarctica

It certainly looks like they are mainly interested in building attractions that can be enjoyed by most of the family.

 

[Ben]

Isn't Manta a pretty intense coaster?

 

[Irishman]

Isn't Manta a pretty intense coaster?

Only the one at Orlando which was already built.

 

[Ben]

Oh I thought Manta Was built under Blackstone, I'm guessing the one in SD is more like Verbolten intensity wise?

 

[destroyer421]

How about that park has had other plans for that area before Griffon was built.

Does this mean that you know something, Shane?

 

[Irishman]

Oh I thought Manta Was built under Blackstone, I'm guessing the one in SD is more like Verbolten intensity wise?

You're exactly right.

 

[Zachary]

How about that park has had other plans for that area before Griffon was built.

Does this mean that you know something, Shane?

I'll say this: From what I've been told, regardless of whether or not The Wolf retired, Oktoberfest was going to be getting a new coaster around the time that Verbolten ended up opening. Those old BGEscape rumors from late 2008 and early 2009 of a large coaster in FHP for 2011 or so were based in fact. Verbolten was sort of a plan B.

 

[b.mac]

It would be nice if you guys told us this in some way or form.

 

[netdvn]

^ Info like that probably shouldn't be released too prematurely or the site gets in trouble with the park.