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RE: Killarney Kommotion (2013 to Present)

PR, it's like trying to play a rap song about sex at a Christian Church. It doesn't fit and it counteracts what they are trying to achieve. I'm not saying the music is bad, I'm not trying to insult any fan base. I'm just trying to say, rap music in general has no place in BG because it tears the theme to shreds. Not to mention that it's not exactly music that's family oriented and makes the park quality lower when it has so much potential.
 
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RE: Killarney Kommotion (2013 to Present)

No, the point I'm making is that it does not fit the park at all. Why the hell are they playing J-Lo in Ireland? Let's give an example. I like Chiptune music, but if the park played it, it would be a terrible thing for the park to do. You need to realize that just because you like something, doesn't mean the park should be doing it. The park's base knows what the park should be doing and if they do something totally unrelated to the park, the base gets pissed off.

It doesn't matter if I think it's crappy or not, it's whether it fits. If you can't fucking realize that tween pop does not belong in an old Irish villiage out in the open, why are you even posting on these forums?
 
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Let's take a step back for a moment. The park hasn't always been heavily themed to Europe. Until the early/mid 2000's the park's entertainment frequently featured non-European themed shows. Does anyone remember the earlier shows in the Globe Theatre and Abbystone Theater. They were straight out of Broadway and Vaudeville. Respected and missed shows like the Starlight Orchestra, the Boogie Band, Kinetix and American Jukebox had nothing to do with Europe. Country shows and Elvis themed shows also frequented the Canadian Palladium during the 1980's 90's and 2000's.

As for contgemporary pop music, in the early 2000's there was a nighttime show that utilized pop music and hip-hop dance on a contemporary stage with contemporary lighting right in the middle of England across from Big Ben. I remember enjoying it as a "finale" to the night.

During all these examples, AB owned the park and everyone loved it. It was the glory days that everyone is longing for now.

I'm not fairly able to defend Killarney Commotion because I haven't seen it, and there is plenty I am disappointed about the park this year, especially the closure of Europe In the Air and the cutbacks to Illuminights, but I do think it's unfair to criticize the park for doing something they have done successfully many times in the past, that is utilize American music from many eras, even pop music, in a European themed park.
 
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gardener14~ I really do not remember this show in England that you mentioned. Doesn't mean it didn't exist- it just means that at that time I was working a full time job and going to college full time... my free time was less than a couple hours a week. I must have been MIA then.

Still, the other shows you speak of were inside a theater. I loved Rockin' the Boat; Hats off to Hollywood, Totally Television... etc.. but they were inside theaters. I am looking forward to whatever British pop show they are having as it will be "inside" the Globe theater.
 
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gardener14 said:
Let's take a step back for a moment. The park hasn't always been heavily themed to Europe. Until the early/mid 2000's the park's entertainment frequently featured non-European themed shows. Does anyone remember the earlier shows in the Globe Theatre and Abbystone Theater. They were straight out of Broadway and Vaudeville. Respected and missed shows like the Starlight Orchestra, the Boogie Band, Kinetix and American Jukebox had nothing to do with Europe. Country shows and Elvis themed shows also frequented the Canadian Palladium during the 1980's 90's and 2000's.

As for contgemporary pop music, in the early 2000's there was a nighttime show that utilized pop music and hip-hop dance on a contemporary stage with contemporary lighting right in the middle of England across from Big Ben. I remember enjoying it as a "finale" to the night.

During all these examples, AB owned the park and everyone loved it. It was the glory days that everyone is longing for now.

I'm not fairly able to defend Killarney Commotion because I haven't seen it, and there is plenty I am disappointed about the park this year, especially the closure of Europe In the Air and the cutbacks to Illuminights, but I do think it's unfair to criticize the park for doing something they have done successfully many times in the past, that is utilize American music from many eras, even pop music, in a European themed park.
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The thing is though is that shows like American Jukebox were bad. They don't belong at the park despite the owners. American Jukebox was terrible, Rock the Boat was the same, and Jack is Back (the show that Kommotion seems to be cloned from) used to be the worst show in the park up until now. The park has never been perfect and they've always had their mess ups, but you can't use the park's bad history to justify something as good.
 
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RE: Killarney Kommotion (2013 to Present)

Gardner is talking about One Last Jam, if I'm not mistaken, and it was HORRIBLE. Contemporary pop and club music party in England every night at closing. You had to go through it to get out. It was freaking AWFUL.
 
RE: Killarney Kommotion (2013 to Present)

I wasn't saying that One Last Jam was a great show (although I remember kind of enjoying it as we finished the night). I was making the case that for most of the park's history, the entertainment focused mostly on non-European styles - mostly American pop music from various eras and genres. I don't know if Killarney Kommotion is a good show with good production values or not, but the concept is not new to the park in many different variations and incarnations. I think the fact that it is top 40 music is more off-putting to people than an out of place show like Mix It Up with a drum and bugle corps style that has nothing to do with an outdoor plaza in Italy (for another example).
 
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gardener14 said:
Let's take a step back for a moment. The park hasn't always been heavily themed to Europe. Until the early/mid 2000's the park's entertainment frequently featured non-European themed shows. Does anyone remember the earlier shows in the Globe Theatre and Abbystone Theater. They were straight out of Broadway and Vaudeville. Respected and missed shows like the Starlight Orchestra, the Boogie Band, Kinetix and American Jukebox had nothing to do with Europe. Country shows and Elvis themed shows also frequented the Canadian Palladium during the 1980's 90's and 2000's.

As for contgemporary pop music, in the early 2000's there was a nighttime show that utilized pop music and hip-hop dance on a contemporary stage with contemporary lighting right in the middle of England across from Big Ben. I remember enjoying it as a "finale" to the night.

During all these examples, AB owned the park and everyone loved it. It was the glory days that everyone is longing for now.

I'm not fairly able to defend Killarney Commotion because I haven't seen it, and there is plenty I am disappointed about the park this year, especially the closure of Europe In the Air and the cutbacks to Illuminights, but I do think it's unfair to criticize the park for doing something they have done successfully many times in the past, that is utilize American music from many eras, even pop music, in a European themed park.
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The thing is though is that shows like American Jukebox were bad. They don't belong at the park despite the owners. American Jukebox was terrible, Rock the Boat was the same, and Jack is Back (the show that Kommotion seems to be cloned from) used to be the worst show in the park up until now. The park has never been perfect and they've always had their mess ups, but you can't use the park's bad history to justify something as good.
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I take it that is why loyal pass holders asked if there was going to be a replacement that was similar to American Jukebox right? That is why loyal pass holders complained Jack is Back was gone right? Just sayin.
 
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Party Rocker said:
I take it that is why loyal pass holders asked if there was going to be a replacement that was similar to American Jukebox right? That is why loyal pass holders complained Jack is Back was gone right? Just sayin.
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Let's face it, there are stupid people out there who think anything is going to be appropriate for the park. The people who liked these shows don't see the park as a beautiful place to go, they see it as a place to do shit and ride rides. These people put what they like personally ahead of what fits the park. The fact is that no matter how you justify it, there is never going to be a place for J-Lo or whatever being pumped outside in an old Irish theater.
 
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I am nothing at all like the general public you describe who you believe wants only pop shows and generic rides instead of quality and themeing. I am a loyal visitor for over 20 years who loves the beauty and quality of the park and who loves good entertainment. I don't believe an amusement park, even a great theme park like Busch Gardens, needs to be 100% loyal to its theme. It's entertainment after all, a glorified, really nice, quality amusement park. I'm not saying top 40 pop music is what the park should focus on. It's just not as outside of what the park has ever done for decades as some of you are making it out to be.

And I disagree entirely that shows like American Jukebox or the Starlight Orchestra didn't have a place. They were great shows that fit the park and it's clientele very well.
 
RE: Killarney Kommotion (2013 to Present)

gardener14 said:
I am nothing at all like the general public you describe who you believe wants only pop shows and generic rides instead of quality and themeing. I am a loyal visitor for over 20 years who loves the beauty and quality of the park and who loves good entertainment. I don't believe an amusement park, even a great theme park like Busch Gardens, needs to be 100% loyal to its theme. It's entertainment after all, a glorified, really nice, quality amusement park. I'm not saying top 40 pop music is what the park should focus on. It's just not as outside of what the park has ever done for decades as some of you are making it out to be.

And I disagree entirely that shows like American Jukebox or the Starlight Orchestra didn't have a place. They were great shows that fit the park and it's clientele very well.
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You mentioned Mix it Up before, while it's not the best show the park has ever had, I feel it's close to what the park should have. It has a wide varity of music presented in a fashion that makes the show unique and has a place at the park. Most of all, it doesn't pander to the least common denominator like Kommotion does. I'm not saying that every single show has to be 100% to the theme, but Kommotion has nothing to do with the theme at all.

Like I said, Kommotion is just a shitty clone of Jack is Back. I felt that Jukebox didn't fit the theme at all and was happy when it left, and Starlight was old-world and high-brow enough to have a place at the park.

There is, of course, the standard that the park needs to keep up. The park needs to maintain a certain level of quality and magic to keep it different from KD. Ignore that bar and people will start comparing the park to KD more, and when comparing those two, people will see that it is inferior to KD when it comes to rides, making people choose KD over BGW. Kommotion is something that could easily be stolen from KD. No magic, no fantasy, just a bunch of people dancing and singing whatever popular song the parks could by the rights to and this is a very dangerous thing for the park to do.
 
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RE: Killarney Kommotion (2013 to Present)

I haven't seen the show, and I probably won't get to.

I don't particularly mind pop music, there are annoying songs sure, but I don't see what's bad about it.

That's not to say it belongs in Ireland, because it doesn't. However, I don't think I'd be against the pop music if it was pop music from Ireland / England / Wales / Scotland.

But most Americans wouldn't recognize it, so it won't happen. But one can dream about hearing Marina and the Diamonds or Jedward. I think a Jedward song would be hilarious. But Marina can get inappropriate.

At the end of the day, it just sounds like the show doesn't mix with the park. It's basically boils down to it being too American for a European themed park.
 
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gardener14 said:
I am nothing at all like the general public you describe who you believe wants only pop shows and generic rides instead of quality and themeing.
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No that was not the intentions of my words. I was only so pro-pop because everyone else here think pop has absolutely no place in the park anywhere whatsoever, which I believe is somewhat false.

Everything has a place in the park and can be done in a way to please people. With that said, some is okay, but don't go over board.

I don't see what the difference is outside vs inside. Really? Aren't the shows inside the theaters supposed to relate to the theme to? But I guess it's okay to say one thing okay but if it is covered up a bit then who cares.

Also HOS vs. ILLUM? Why can HOS break theme but ILLUM can't?

But back to the show, this music has it's place and in my view, it will be fine for the 10 minutes for four times for two months, if it were a more permanent show that lasted all year, then it would be an issue. But at the moment it is just a temporary show targeted to a younger audience and it will fade away with the rest of the event in due time.
 
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Also HOS vs. ILLUM? Why can HOS break theme but ILLUM can't?
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Because at the end of the day Howl-o-Scream still relates to the European theme, with with a dark twist. (Or at least that what they aim for.)

While Illuminights goes for a magical lighting of Europe and ends up in a back alley club, beaten and confused and missing their wallet.
 
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Party Rocker said:
I don't see what the difference is outside vs inside. Really? Aren't the shows inside the theaters supposed to relate to the theme to? But I guess it's okay to say one thing okay but if it is covered up a bit then who cares.
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Because if a show is outside, playing music inside does not ruin the area of the park. Any scenery is contained inside the building and does not take away from the atmosphere
Also HOS vs. ILLUM? Why can HOS break theme but ILLUM can't?
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Because HoS is a proper special even that celebrates a particular holiday like Christmas town. Illuiminights celebrates nothing, is a small scale special event, and is nothing more than an attempt to bring in people. Illuminights is supposed to be a celebration of the park's beauty, not alter the park's theme for whatever show Scott wants to do.
But back to the show, this music has it's place and in my view, it will be fine for the 10 minutes for four times for two months, if it were a more permanent show that lasted all year, then it would be an issue. But at the moment it is just a temporary show targeted to a younger audience and it will fade away with the rest of the event in due time.
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Please tell us how J-Lo fits with Ireland. Targeting a younger audience by going after the least common denominator by not having to produce a quality show and just regurgitating popular music. This is a very bad thing for the park to do.
 
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