Yes, I love the themeing that went into the area, it just doesn't fit Europe is what bugs me. I want to see Switzerland go in that area.
Future Park Plans
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I think New France is perfectly fine, and fit the original "Olde Country" theme, that the park originally had and is an original section of the park. The park was named Busch Gardens Europe for but a very very short time. New France is fine and isn't going anywhere.
Bull fighting is a touchy subject, devil themed ride at a park with heavy Christian influence? And chupacabra is a mexican legend, not Spanish.
I have no real issue with Busch's themes not making much sense or being realistic, so chupacabra isn't too far out of the realm of what they would possibly do, but I still doubt it. It's a bit too dark and still contemporarily relevant for them, I think.
Really? Again, I think it depends how Verbolten goes down.
Thirteen was quite a flop for Alton, both in the eyes of enthusiasts and the public, though most people think that was due to it being marketed at an older age group than it should have been. We don't have this issue at Busch, since they thematically aim even their pure thrill rides at families. So it'll be interesting to see what difference that makes. I think a lot of it is resting on whether or not they can make the theming coherent, because as it stands it looks like two very separate concepts smashed together without any underlying link to gel it all together.
If they have technical problems with Verbolten's launch, I can't see them going for another launch coaster anytime soon. Let's also remember that really, it's only Intamin building launch coasters worth shouting about. I can't see BGW getting a launch coaster who's focus is the launch. It also doesn't really fit their audience. That said, drop towers are about as intense as it gets, and they did that... Assuming Verbolten goes well with limited technical woe, maybe they will go back to them and get something along the lines of Wicked? If not, wouldn't surprise me if they go to Gerstlaurer.
As for wood... Yeeeeah, I can't see it.
Until the park can come up with an anchor attraction to bring people to that area, it's not gonna happen any time soon. Yes New France is an oddball area compared to the other countries, but it's staying regardless.
I was thinking more along the lines of an Oktoberfest style update but with a more Italian flair. The current area seems too generic for the park outside of Rapids (and even that could use a touch up). Shouldn't bee too hard to replace the supports for the buildings with Greco-Roman columns
I blame Merlin's overblown marketing as the reason 13 and Subterra were failures.
The same park that did Fiends?
Bullfighting could definitely work (although the conservation side of the park might disagree with it).I actually agree with this. I think the park is trying to see how V-bolt turns out before diving into launch coasters. That said, there are other options the park can stick with when it comes to launch coasters that don't involve Intamin (Premier being close behind since their coasters are very highly regarded).
Who knows for sure? Granted Kingsmill isn't gonna agree with it, but from the discussion about the second gate, a wooden coaster *could* happen.
netdvn said:
Thirteen still isn't a great ride in it's own right, though. I think one of the reasons for that is the second lift, which was added for capacity sake.... The thing is, kids are really brave. Manufacturers should be aiming to make more intense rides with low height limits. This is why the Maurer spinners and Gerstlaurer Eurofighters are such great family rides, because they entertain a huge range of people due to their low height limit and intensity. With Sub-Terra, I'm hearing that even past the marketing the attraction just doesn't work because it's just too short and doesn't make sense. Granted there's a huge problem with most of Merlin's marketing, but they got Swarm right, and that still overblew the ride... (You hear about the test dummies loosing limbs marketing bull? Yeah, well the foot and hand chopping effects are pretty nonexistent.)
I'd like to take this moment to just state that Gerstlauer Eurofighters are awful and I hate them, but the public seem to love them and their low height restriction is pretty cool for brave little kids.
The same park that did Fiends?
What's Fiends? I just think that since bullfighting was banned recently in Spain and outside of Spain it's seen as as a completely barbaric practise, It's just not appropriate for a park like Busch who have that running theme of respect for nature, conservation and delicacy. The whole thing is so touchy since it's such an icon of Spain that was deemed immoral, which must be difficult culturally. I can remember family holidays to spain and references to bullfighting where everywhere... On billboards, in tourist gift shops, we even have a towel with a picture of bullfighting on it we must have got in Spain. Bit creepy.
I'd love for them to go Premier as I love their rides, but the company are far from highly regarded? They clearly don't have much work, we barely ever see anything from them! But since BGW went to Zierra for a major coaster, who even knows what's logical anymore.
Funny thing is, Merlin then went to Zierra for their new freefall at a Legoland in mainland Europe. How HILARIOUS. I bet Intamin felt embarrassed.
pandorazboxx said:
Fixed that for ya.
Gavin said:pandorazboxx said:
Fixed that for ya.
I could fix that up even better, but I don't really feel like breaking out the censor bar right now...
Back on topic, I would love to see a Gerstlaur or Maurer Sohn spinning coaster or a PERMANENT Mack mouse (like ricochet). The latter could have a dark-ride beginning section like Scooby Doo Spooky Coaster at Warner Bros. Movie World (never ridden it, but it looks cool). It could be a great ride for where EitA is!
I would also like to see Zamperla get a big job...they have so many cool products...but so little recognition...
Also, a long, terrain-following custom Vekoma junior coaster (with a thrilling layout) could also be great in an area like Ireland if it had a dark ride segment (like Dragon at Legoland Florida-the dark ride part, anyway)... It could maybe be something like this.
Just my two cents... :sleepy:
Wow, Dragon at Legoland Florida looks just as terrible as the Windsor one. What the hell is with the section of straight track where NOTHING happens before the lift? I hate Legoland. I always have done. When I went as a kid I was appalled and when I go as an adult I want to gouge my eyes out.
I dunno what I make of the suggestion for BGE to get a junior coaster. You mean something that sits kinda between the Grover thingy and Verbolten, I take it? I just don't really see the point if I'm honest.
I used to vouch for MS spinners and how appropriate they are for Busch, but I've changed my mind. Mostly because the things have atrocious capacity and downtime. Or, well, the Merlin ones do... But that could well just be Merlin. Something along that level though I still agree with. Low height restriction, capable of entertaining kids and adults alike, different. MS spinners entertain wide audiences better than any other ride type I've witnessed, and MS have some impressive trick track capabilities. If Busch got something like Winjas, we'd forgive the downtime and queue length... Are you guys familiar with Winjas? It's a duelling MS spinner with various trick track elements. It's indoors so the POV does it no justice, but here's a page from Mauer Sohne's catalogue...
[img=700x450]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-T-AHhPmJf-A/TpQkwwtQ2rI/AAAAAAAACFk/HH60S7FiFlE/s1600/maurersohnewinjas.jpg[/img]
When I spoke to them at EAS though, they seemed to think they would be unlikely to do this again, though if a client wanted it they certainly would. I wonder why they thought it was so unlikely?
I dunno what I make of the suggestion for BGE to get a junior coaster. You mean something that sits kinda between the Grover thingy and Verbolten, I take it? I just don't really see the point if I'm honest.
I used to vouch for MS spinners and how appropriate they are for Busch, but I've changed my mind. Mostly because the things have atrocious capacity and downtime. Or, well, the Merlin ones do... But that could well just be Merlin.
Something along that level though I still agree with. Low height restriction, capable of entertaining kids and adults alike, different. MS spinners entertain wide audiences better than any other ride type I've witnessed, and MS have some impressive trick track capabilities. If Busch got something like Winjas, we'd forgive the downtime and queue length... Are you guys familiar with Winjas? It's a duelling MS spinner with various trick track elements. It's indoors so the POV does it no justice, but here's a page from Mauer Sohne's catalogue...[img=700x450]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-T-AHhPmJf-A/TpQkwwtQ2rI/AAAAAAAACFk/HH60S7FiFlE/s1600/maurersohnewinjas.jpg[/img]
When I spoke to them at EAS though, they seemed to think they would be unlikely to do this again, though if a client wanted it they certainly would. I wonder why they thought it was so unlikely?
I absolutely agree with this.
Most of Premier's major projects are pretty highly regarded. I honestly can't think of a Premier coaster that people classify as "bad" (maybe the Paramount Stunt coaster projects, but I don't think anyone considers those "bad")
Other than those, you've still got Mummy, Freeze, Chiller, Poltergeist, Skyrocket, Powder Keg, and Flight of Fear - not necessarily a bad track record (ride-wise at least).
I agree with you about Premier. They have some great rides that they did for their clients and they are fun to ride. I think it would be great for Busch to go with Premier for their next coaster.
A Little off the current topic but I am sure some of you might have see this update from Screamscape Today. I have added emphesis to what I think might be inportant.
Although it is a great throwback Pirates is a bit dated. Thoughts?
Although it is a great throwback Pirates is a bit dated. Thoughts?
Peter R. said:
It's was mentioned awhile go in the Entwined thread that renovations are going to happen at the Globe.
I agree that their rides are awesome, but I don't think even enthusiasts hold them in high regard, let alone the industry. We'd see more of them if that were the case. It's a shame, because they make interesting rides. Their presence at the trade show was poor though, and they had little enthusiasm for what they did. So maybe that's why?netdvn said:
Also, Pirates 4D. <3 I miss it. It used to be at Thorpe, but was replaced a couple of years back. A tragic shame as the thing they have now is terrible.
I just gave you a list of Premier coasters that enthusiasts seem to love. I'll throw in Joker's Jinx and the Sahara Hotel's Speed coaster for good measure.
High Roller seems to be the only Premier coaster that's universally hated. I don't hear much about the Paramount Stunt coasters or the Asian stuff (although I have heard the Yamaha coaster is pretty good).
I can't speak for industry execs, but enthusiasts seem to love Premier coasters.
(oh and some of their support structures DO look kinda ugly and oversupported *Chiller*)
I could say the same about Arrow suspended coasters... or prefab woodies... or Mega-lites.
