RE: Fiends (2011 to Present)
My only concern at this point is what did Frank F. think about it?
My only concern at this point is what did Frank F. think about it?
Fiends
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RE: Fiends (2011 to Present)
I believe this is high quality, Judd Apatow/Kevin Smith style humor. There is a reason these directors make money! This is Halloween. It is supposed to be campy and over the top. Teacht ar dhaoine. The theme I am seeing on this thread is, the married/divorced men seem to enjoy the show more. Why? Because when you are married (and especially if you have children) watching what you want, which usually involves scantilly clad women and crude humor, doesn't happen whenever you want it anymore. Hell, I got excited when Charlie got all slutty this week on Revolution. I can't just sit in my living room, in my boxers, and watch Cathiuse anymore. In order to be a good husband/father, you sacrifice your "bachelor" entertainment. So, for us, going to BGW and getting to see an over the top, goofy, skanky, innuendo filled show, is a treat, and for some of us, getting to watch it with our spouses just adds to the treat. Just thought I would clear it up for those who don't understand why we like the show, in a psychological way.
I believe this is high quality, Judd Apatow/Kevin Smith style humor. There is a reason these directors make money! This is Halloween. It is supposed to be campy and over the top. Teacht ar dhaoine. The theme I am seeing on this thread is, the married/divorced men seem to enjoy the show more. Why? Because when you are married (and especially if you have children) watching what you want, which usually involves scantilly clad women and crude humor, doesn't happen whenever you want it anymore. Hell, I got excited when Charlie got all slutty this week on Revolution. I can't just sit in my living room, in my boxers, and watch Cathiuse anymore. In order to be a good husband/father, you sacrifice your "bachelor" entertainment. So, for us, going to BGW and getting to see an over the top, goofy, skanky, innuendo filled show, is a treat, and for some of us, getting to watch it with our spouses just adds to the treat. Just thought I would clear it up for those who don't understand why we like the show, in a psychological way.
RE: Fiends (2011 to Present)
Then why not make the humor sexy and good? Last year it got it perfect with both sex and goofy so they work together and it was the highlight of the event last year, and I loved it more than any other show. Now it's just over the top just to do it, it serves no purpose other to just push the boundary without actually being entertaining.
Then why not make the humor sexy and good? Last year it got it perfect with both sex and goofy so they work together and it was the highlight of the event last year, and I loved it more than any other show. Now it's just over the top just to do it, it serves no purpose other to just push the boundary without actually being entertaining.
RE: Fiends (2011 to Present)
Oh yes you are!
The only time I ever saw any soaps was when the guys in my Freshman door would borrow my TV to watch Days of Our Lives, because of some blond chick. When I am home sick, I watch Animal Planet and call Tony crying, because of Animal Cops.
Cody said:
Oh yes you are!
The only time I ever saw any soaps was when the guys in my Freshman door would borrow my TV to watch Days of Our Lives, because of some blond chick. When I am home sick, I watch Animal Planet and call Tony crying, because of Animal Cops.
RE: Fiends (2011 to Present)
Really it comes down to this: Fiends 2012 was a fantastic show. It would have been fantastic no matter what the cast was wearing or what jokes were made. That is far from the case with this year's iteration in my complete and honest opinion. In a lot of ways this all feels like a repeat of 2011 when the guy who played Igor at the time was getting way too comfortable with his role and it makes the entire production seem like a cheap show constructed solely on the idea that sex sells. That cheapness and complete lack of any real show behind the sexy overlay is the reason I hated the 2011 iteration. This year is worse.
Again, let's not forget that last year, Fiends was one of the best produced and executed shows many of us had ever seen at the park. When you look at it through that lens, this year's attempt is garbage.
Really it comes down to this: Fiends 2012 was a fantastic show. It would have been fantastic no matter what the cast was wearing or what jokes were made. That is far from the case with this year's iteration in my complete and honest opinion. In a lot of ways this all feels like a repeat of 2011 when the guy who played Igor at the time was getting way too comfortable with his role and it makes the entire production seem like a cheap show constructed solely on the idea that sex sells. That cheapness and complete lack of any real show behind the sexy overlay is the reason I hated the 2011 iteration. This year is worse.
Again, let's not forget that last year, Fiends was one of the best produced and executed shows many of us had ever seen at the park. When you look at it through that lens, this year's attempt is garbage.
RE: Fiends (2011 to Present)
Entertainment is subjective. Porn is usually cheaply produced and under acted, yet you don't see them hurting in this economy! It's OK if you don't like it and others do. No one ever accomplished anything by not pushing boundaries, and Fiends has accomplished what they have set out to do. It makes it so you have something for everyone. If you want campy acting and awesome vocals, see Night Beats. Campy, Night at the Museum knockoff and band music, Dig it UP. Campy, sexy sexiness sexified, Fiends. Campy family fun, Blood banquet. Every show doesn't have to appeal to everyone.
Pretzel Kaiser said:
Entertainment is subjective. Porn is usually cheaply produced and under acted, yet you don't see them hurting in this economy! It's OK if you don't like it and others do. No one ever accomplished anything by not pushing boundaries, and Fiends has accomplished what they have set out to do. It makes it so you have something for everyone. If you want campy acting and awesome vocals, see Night Beats. Campy, Night at the Museum knockoff and band music, Dig it UP. Campy, sexy sexiness sexified, Fiends. Campy family fun, Blood banquet. Every show doesn't have to appeal to everyone.
RE: Fiends (2011 to Present)
Look at my avatar. I have no problem with the sex, it's just last year they did sex well and I quite liked it. They did push the boundaries, but they did it in a way that was actually entertaining so it served a purpose of entertainment. This year they're pushing it for the sole purpose of pushing it, so it feels empty and pointless.
Not to mention that they're making the sex rather unsexy with the ratty fur suit and the NY accent. I know there are fetishes for everything, but there's a reason yiffing (Google at your own risk) is considered a rather awful thing by most people who know what it is.
Look at my avatar. I have no problem with the sex, it's just last year they did sex well and I quite liked it. They did push the boundaries, but they did it in a way that was actually entertaining so it served a purpose of entertainment. This year they're pushing it for the sole purpose of pushing it, so it feels empty and pointless.
Not to mention that they're making the sex rather unsexy with the ratty fur suit and the NY accent. I know there are fetishes for everything, but there's a reason yiffing (Google at your own risk) is considered a rather awful thing by most people who know what it is.
RE: Fiends (2011 to Present)
It's a show, he is playing a monster, not a dude in a wolf suit. It's more like beastiality than furries.
It's a show, he is playing a monster, not a dude in a wolf suit. It's more like beastiality than furries.
RE: Fiends (2011 to Present)
Thank goodness they put some pants on the wolf. When we saw the show on Friday it was creepy seeing that big hole in his crotch and the girls going crazy for him.
It was funny but you couldn't stop starring at it.
Thank goodness they put some pants on the wolf. When we saw the show on Friday it was creepy seeing that big hole in his crotch and the girls going crazy for him.
It was funny but you couldn't stop starring at it.
RE: Fiends (2011 to Present)
I'm getting to this thread pretty late in the conversation, but I'm going to take a swing at it anyways.
First and foremost, Cody, your sexist attitude is disgusting. We know what the nurses are there for, thank you. We are all very much aware why they are there. But don't just reduce them to "they're there for single and married men who can't get any anymore." These are dancers, playing a role. Also keep your private life private. 90% of us on here don't want to know what turns you on.
(Now this is directed to the thread in general, not at one person.)
Next, let's talk about the show and how "sexy" it is. It's awful. The show is shoving as much sex related stuff in a 25 minute show. First off, it doesn't flow. Second, this is still a theme park, and it has to have some standard, this is breaking it. It's not necessary. They are going back and forth between goofy and sexy, it's jarring because they are going to the middle between goofy and serious, and then going to near extremes for sex.
Let's put it to the thread this way. The Rocky Horror Picture Show (Which Fiends is rather loosely based off of.) is a good combination of goofy and sexy. It doesn't take itself too seriously, but even though the entire movie is about sex and being sexy (Because that's why Frank-n-Furter created Rocky for.) it's still classier than Fiends right now. Fiends is pushing the bar of what's okay at a theme park.
And this is not okay. There is more to adult humor than sex jokes. When most of us say we want a more adult event, we don't want hair suit werewolves to hump poor women's faces, we don't want pushing the limit of what's acceptable as far as sex goes in theme parks. We wanted scary and frightening. (Although if some guy shoved their dick in my face without my wanting, I'd be pretty scared.) This isn't okay. On any level.
Fiends last year had the perfect balance between sexy and funny. It wasn't too over the top on either end. There was enough left to the imagination. There was enough for people to know that yes this show has adult content, but it wasn't enough to make me want to walk out of the theater.
This isn't Fiends anymore. And if Fiends keeps going down this road, as much as it would break my heart, I wouldn't want it back. Ever.
(I hope this makes sense to you. But the latest conversation has me livid. So my thoughts were all over the place.)
I'm getting to this thread pretty late in the conversation, but I'm going to take a swing at it anyways.
First and foremost, Cody, your sexist attitude is disgusting. We know what the nurses are there for, thank you. We are all very much aware why they are there. But don't just reduce them to "they're there for single and married men who can't get any anymore." These are dancers, playing a role. Also keep your private life private. 90% of us on here don't want to know what turns you on.
(Now this is directed to the thread in general, not at one person.)
Next, let's talk about the show and how "sexy" it is. It's awful. The show is shoving as much sex related stuff in a 25 minute show. First off, it doesn't flow. Second, this is still a theme park, and it has to have some standard, this is breaking it. It's not necessary. They are going back and forth between goofy and sexy, it's jarring because they are going to the middle between goofy and serious, and then going to near extremes for sex.
Let's put it to the thread this way. The Rocky Horror Picture Show (Which Fiends is rather loosely based off of.) is a good combination of goofy and sexy. It doesn't take itself too seriously, but even though the entire movie is about sex and being sexy (Because that's why Frank-n-Furter created Rocky for.) it's still classier than Fiends right now. Fiends is pushing the bar of what's okay at a theme park.
And this is not okay. There is more to adult humor than sex jokes. When most of us say we want a more adult event, we don't want hair suit werewolves to hump poor women's faces, we don't want pushing the limit of what's acceptable as far as sex goes in theme parks. We wanted scary and frightening. (Although if some guy shoved their dick in my face without my wanting, I'd be pretty scared.) This isn't okay. On any level.
Fiends last year had the perfect balance between sexy and funny. It wasn't too over the top on either end. There was enough left to the imagination. There was enough for people to know that yes this show has adult content, but it wasn't enough to make me want to walk out of the theater.
This isn't Fiends anymore. And if Fiends keeps going down this road, as much as it would break my heart, I wouldn't want it back. Ever.
(I hope this makes sense to you. But the latest conversation has me livid. So my thoughts were all over the place.)
RE: Fiends (2011 to Present)
If my "sexist" attitude is refering to wives watching soaps and lifetime, that was meant as a joke towards my friend, not serious whatsoever. I never said men who can't get any, I was merely talking about entertainment, and how BGW is succeeding in reaching the demographic of guys who dig watching hot chicks and campy sex humor. I never said what "turns me on". Trust me, you don't want to go down that road. I never mentioned anything in my private life. I never specifically said YOU didn't know. There are many things posted here that I already know, but I don't comment such as you did, because, maybe, there are others who do not. If you cannot take my lighthearted posts, then pass them by and leave my name out of yours. D'fhéadfadh na déithe aoibh gháire ar do lá.
Applesauce said:
If my "sexist" attitude is refering to wives watching soaps and lifetime, that was meant as a joke towards my friend, not serious whatsoever. I never said men who can't get any, I was merely talking about entertainment, and how BGW is succeeding in reaching the demographic of guys who dig watching hot chicks and campy sex humor. I never said what "turns me on". Trust me, you don't want to go down that road. I never mentioned anything in my private life. I never specifically said YOU didn't know. There are many things posted here that I already know, but I don't comment such as you did, because, maybe, there are others who do not. If you cannot take my lighthearted posts, then pass them by and leave my name out of yours. D'fhéadfadh na déithe aoibh gháire ar do lá.
RE: Fiends (2011 to Present)
So, I have stayed out of most of this, because as I think everyone know by now, you will never find me at this show. And I fully admit that means I about to comment from a place of massive ignorance. Regardless...
This discussion appears from the outside to be a debate about the number of corseted angels dancing on the head of a pin. Does it really matter exactly how trashy the show is? I have seen nothing to indicate it ever had much in the way of good taste to begin with.
It all seems to boil down to how raunchy each person wants his or her burlesque to be. This is 100% a question of personal taste, and I believe "reasonable" men and women can agree disagree.
It is unclear to me what ad hominem attacks add to the conversation.
Honestly, at the end of the day it is a show in a theme park. Why stress yourselves out expending that much emotional energy on it?
So, I have stayed out of most of this, because as I think everyone know by now, you will never find me at this show. And I fully admit that means I about to comment from a place of massive ignorance. Regardless...
This discussion appears from the outside to be a debate about the number of corseted angels dancing on the head of a pin. Does it really matter exactly how trashy the show is? I have seen nothing to indicate it ever had much in the way of good taste to begin with.
It all seems to boil down to how raunchy each person wants his or her burlesque to be. This is 100% a question of personal taste, and I believe "reasonable" men and women can agree disagree.
It is unclear to me what ad hominem attacks add to the conversation.
Honestly, at the end of the day it is a show in a theme park. Why stress yourselves out expending that much emotional energy on it?
RE: Fiends (2011 to Present)
Your sexist attitude was for both that comment and your paragraph before it.
Yes because entertainment for males is the only thing that matters. The demographic for BG is widely spread. Solely reaching out to those who like to watch women in little clothing dance is not a good thing. And isn't the point of the show at all. There is far more to the show than sexy nurses dancing.
You shouldn't have to go to BG and watch a theme park show to get any sort of entertainment like this show is now giving. Married or not. This show should be anyone who understands adult humor and some silly antics should be able to enjoy it. The show is now specifically reaching out to very specific demographic, which lowers the entertainment value to those of us who are not part of that demographic.
Your sexist attitude was for both that comment and your paragraph before it.
Yes because entertainment for males is the only thing that matters. The demographic for BG is widely spread. Solely reaching out to those who like to watch women in little clothing dance is not a good thing. And isn't the point of the show at all. There is far more to the show than sexy nurses dancing.
Is this not your private life? Is this not something you'd do (Or now can't do) in your private life? That's what I was referring to.
You shouldn't have to go to BG and watch a theme park show to get any sort of entertainment like this show is now giving. Married or not. This show should be anyone who understands adult humor and some silly antics should be able to enjoy it. The show is now specifically reaching out to very specific demographic, which lowers the entertainment value to those of us who are not part of that demographic.
RE: Fiends (2011 to Present)
A lot of us are nerds and that's what nerds do. We enjoy something and care when it's ruined. I know for a fact that a few people consider last year's version the best show at the park for quite some time. These things at the park are a huge source of entertainment, and if that's not what you do good on you, but some people enjoy talking like this.
A lot of us are nerds and that's what nerds do. We enjoy something and care when it's ruined. I know for a fact that a few people consider last year's version the best show at the park for quite some time. These things at the park are a huge source of entertainment, and if that's not what you do good on you, but some people enjoy talking like this.
RE: Fiends (2011 to Present)
And I totally get that. I geek out all of the time, but I try not to let myself get too angry. It makes me unhappy.
I'm not saying that there is anything wrong with spirited debate about the show. I am saying that there is nothing to be gained by publicly attacking each other. Focus on the issues, not each other. Does that make sense?
(I am particularly sensitive to this right now, because I am about to work for free for who knows how long, because some people can't get past hating each other to resolve major policy issues.)
Pretzel Kaiser said:
And I totally get that. I geek out all of the time, but I try not to let myself get too angry. It makes me unhappy.
I'm not saying that there is anything wrong with spirited debate about the show. I am saying that there is nothing to be gained by publicly attacking each other. Focus on the issues, not each other. Does that make sense?
(I am particularly sensitive to this right now, because I am about to work for free for who knows how long, because some people can't get past hating each other to resolve major policy issues.)